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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:15 am  
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No masts set on fire by those sharing your belief then ??
And if we're talking about stupidity.............................................


Absolutely not. Care to expand a little here? Where in my post have I advocated setting fire to masts?
And, what would be my reason for doing so?
I'm sure mast burners also share a lot of your beliefs too. Your point is?
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:23 am  
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Absolutely not. Care to expand a little here? Where in my post have I advocated setting fire to masts?
And, what would be my reason for doing so?
I'm sure mast burners also share a lot of your beliefs too. Your point is?


Are you not aware that people have been burning down telephone masts due to their fear of the Chinese wanting to "control the population" through the roll out of 5G ?? I'm surprised at you.
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:25 am  
Miro wrote:
Oh come on Pop Tart. He totally objects to this thread so why sign up to land on here? Talk about a troll.
Somewhat different to my perspective who came on here to honor the threads title.

PS. Is it now ok to accuse fellow posters of having a mental illness Mr Moderator?
Yes or no.


It isn't no. I have warned people about their conduct on here. I didn't feel the need to run it past you.
But also, I try to be tolerant on here as the subject is so emotive. Once this is shut down I'm not going to let covid chat take over the other threads.

And I think you need to read your own back before being too high and mighty.
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:28 am  
coco the fullback wrote:
I am beginning to worry about your grasp of basic arithmetic.

The 600,000 signatures. I forget what the petition was for now.
What proportion of the population could have signed that if they had wished?
What was the petition? how was it carried out?
This is not a survey or poll. This is the total number of people who signed, it says nothing about the people who chose not to sign. This is the total number who supported the petition.

As for Brexit:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... ndum-model

On 21st June 2016 YouGov had leave with 51%, down from a peak of 53% on 12th June.
However, this was well within the margin of error for the survey, and hence the poll results were inconclusive.

Back to your example. You claim that 'most' Americans had never heard of Bill Gates. A survey conducted by YouGov found that 96% had heard of him.

It's not clear what you intended to mean by 'most', so we'll take it as 51% (a very generous interpretation of 'most')

Population of US = 329,516,498 (latest census figure)
So, according to you at least 168,053,414 people have never heard of Bill Gates (one time richest man in the world, regardless of what job he did)

survey sample size = 1575
Result 96% of 1575 = 1512 people surveyed said they knew Bill Gates

So, the question is, what's the probability of selecting 1575 people at random from a population with 49% who know Bill Gates and finding 1512 people who say they know him.
You'll need to use binomial probability.
Answer: 1.72 x 10^-335 chance or 0.(335 zeroes)172
= pretty damned close to impossible

To put it another way, if you have a huge bag of red and blue balls (and there are more red than blue), what are the chances of pulling out 1575 balls and finding 1512 of them are blue and only 63 red?



And some of us use common sense.
coco the fullback wrote:
I am beginning to worry about your grasp of basic arithmetic.

The 600,000 signatures. I forget what the petition was for now.
What proportion of the population could have signed that if they had wished?
What was the petition? how was it carried out?
This is not a survey or poll. This is the total number of people who signed, it says nothing about the people who chose not to sign. This is the total number who supported the petition.

As for Brexit:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... ndum-model

On 21st June 2016 YouGov had leave with 51%, down from a peak of 53% on 12th June.
However, this was well within the margin of error for the survey, and hence the poll results were inconclusive.

Back to your example. You claim that 'most' Americans had never heard of Bill Gates. A survey conducted by YouGov found that 96% had heard of him.

It's not clear what you intended to mean by 'most', so we'll take it as 51% (a very generous interpretation of 'most')

Population of US = 329,516,498 (latest census figure)
So, according to you at least 168,053,414 people have never heard of Bill Gates (one time richest man in the world, regardless of what job he did)

survey sample size = 1575
Result 96% of 1575 = 1512 people surveyed said they knew Bill Gates

So, the question is, what's the probability of selecting 1575 people at random from a population with 49% who know Bill Gates and finding 1512 people who say they know him.
You'll need to use binomial probability.
Answer: 1.72 x 10^-335 chance or 0.(335 zeroes)172
= pretty damned close to impossible

To put it another way, if you have a huge bag of red and blue balls (and there are more red than blue), what are the chances of pulling out 1575 balls and finding 1512 of them are blue and only 63 red?



And some of us use common sense.
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:31 am  
Miro wrote:
And some of us use common sense.


That wins the award for best post on this thread in the outrageous comedy section.
Your trophy can be picked up once lockdown restrictions have been lifted.
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:34 am  
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It isn't no. I have warned people about their conduct on here. I didn't feel the need to run it past you.
But also, I try to be tolerant on here as the subject is so emotive. Once this is shut down I'm not going to let covid chat take over the other threads.

And I think you need to read your own back before being too high and mighty.


So one man, the opposer of the sentiments of much of this thread is going to shut it down. Disregarding the 22,466 views.
Creeping censorship, I did warn ya folks.
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:54 am  
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And some of us use common sense.

Care to expand on that?
How do you apply common sense if it disagrees with the maths?
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:57 am  
This thread reminds me of that Biased Broadcasting Company program “Question Time . The program that supposedly has a balanced views panel. You know, like the time Nigel Farage sat there putting his views on Brexit, and the whole supposedly balanced panel and audience, just tore into him, the time Laurence Fox, replied to a white female member of the audience, who accused Him of being a white privileged male, remember how he was hounded for that.
I don’t agree with Miro on everything he says, but I do agree on some things he says.
I think its time for some of you to put away the flaming torches and pitchforks away, if you don’t agree with him, then ignore him, don’t reply, let the arguments fade, then we can just get back to discussing rugby league that could be facing its darkest hour. It seems to accepted that, a lot of players will soon be released from their clubs, how many ex Toronto players will be signed up to other clubs at a time when most clubs have to cut their players pool to cut costs?
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:26 am  
coco the fullback wrote:
Care to expand on that?
How do you apply common sense if it disagrees with the maths?


I don't know, common sense cannot be measured by maths.

I'm assuming you know the demographic of those surveyed? Or are you just relying on the pollsters say so. Not that it matters a hoot because.....

Now, let me think. 1,512 Americans have heard of Bill Gates so it follows does it ? that a majority of over 331 million, that's 331,600,000 have also heard of Bill Gates?

Yet 600,000 signatures on a petition mean nothing, according to you, because it's a tiny percentage of the US population.

No sorry, gotta use good old Yorkshire common sense.

I think these polling firms are stealing a living.
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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:18 pm  
Miro wrote:
So one man, the opposer of the sentiments of much of this thread is going to shut it down. Disregarding the 22,466 views.
Creeping censorship, I did warn ya folks.


Make your mind up.
You are just trolling now. Either get back to your point or leave the thread alone.
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