Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:12 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

That seems strange to suggest, surely if a player had ambition beyond Wakey he would aim Higher than Hull KR ,with all due respect to that club BTW.

If you look at Wakey's table standings and HKRs table standings, HKR are a considerably worse proposition than us.

They are all smoke and mirrors.

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:22 pm  

Bent&Bongser wrote:

£14M. Whoaf! Where the heck did those spondoolicks come from?

Are you sure that it wasn't "fourteen minions" repainting the crash barriers?

If not, it seems that they've been tipped the wink as to what an "A" licence involves. Blimey!

Amazing what an extra 2500 or so on the gate over numerous seasons and a chairman that regularly puts his hands in his pockets can achieve

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:27 pm  

dboy wrote:

If you look at Wakey's table standings and HKRs table standings, HKR are a considerably worse proposition than us.

They are all smoke and mirrors.

I'd take 2016, 2017 and 2018 out of the equation, but look overall from 2007, and I would hazard a guess that their win ratio is higher than ours. More often than not, I think, since they came into SL, they have finished above us.

Stats don't often lie.

They have also done something that we haven't achieved for 43 years.

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:37 pm  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

I'd take 2016, 2017 and 2018 out of the equation, but look overall from 2007, and I would hazard a guess that their win ratio is higher than ours. More often than not, I think, since they came into SL, they have finished above us.

Stats don't often lie.

They have also done something that we haven't achieved for 43 years.

No, they have only ever finished above us four times (one of which was when they protected their averages in the covid % season).

You are right they made a CC Final (losing by a record margin), but unlike us, they have never made the play-offs (covid-season excepted).

We have never been relegated from SL either.

The point remains, if you wanted to leave Wakey to "better" yourself and your chances of winning medals, you wouldn't pick HKR!

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:57 pm  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

I'd take 2016, 2017 and 2018 out of the equation, but look overall from 2007, and I would hazard a guess that their win ratio is higher than ours. More often than not, I think, since they came into SL, they have finished above us.

Stats don't often lie.

They have also done something that we haven't achieved for 43 years.

But if you take 2015 out of the equation they haven't been to a CC Final for nearly 40 years either.

Also, if you exclude 2010, 2013, 2016 and 2018, Wigan haven't won SL this century, which is the same as us.

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:02 pm  

dboy wrote:

No, they have only ever finished above us four times (one of which was when they protected their averages in the covid % season).

You are right they made a CC Final (losing by a record margin), but unlike us, they have never made the play-offs (covid-season excepted).

We have never been relegated from SL either.

The point remains, if you wanted to leave Wakey to "better" yourself and your chances of winning medals, you wouldn't pick HKR!

Most clubs, as we know, are expected to go straight back down after winning promotion to super league. Our first year was 1999, theirs 2007, so we have had years ahead of them in getting it right.

We finished bottom in 2015, and didn't go down, we were so far off the pace it was unreal. In 2016, they went down, but finished,I think 2 places below us. They went down in golden point. How many times have we been scrambling and scraping on the last/last couple of times to stay up...several, they haven't.

On playing less games, was it always their doing, could we not have played smarter at times, and played the game.

Yes, lost by a record score, to an, at the time all conquering Leeds side, whilst battling in the middle 8's. In the same year, we couldn't beat a Leigh side, a division below us, when having a decent lead.

Like I said, I would hazard a guess, and say they have a greater win ratio overall, in SL games than what we have.

Sadly, like it or not, and I'm waiting for the usual meltdown from the likes of Vastcap, Chisels and Willzay, that I do agree with Batch and Aydin, that they stand better chance of Category A rugby and to challenge for silverware right now, than staying put

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:03 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

But if you take 2015 out of the equation they haven't been to a CC Final for nearly 40 years either.

Also, if you exclude 2010, 2013, 2016 and 2018, Wigan haven't won SL this century, which is the same as us.

2015, the same year, Leigh, a division knocked us out at Belle Vue.

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:13 pm  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

2015, the same year, Leigh, a division knocked us out at Belle Vue.

I remember it. It was the year before Hull KR were knocked out at home by Oldham who were in a division below. Or are we excluding that game as well?

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:15 pm  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

Sadly, like it or not, and I'm waiting for the usual meltdown from the likes of Vastcap, Chisels and Willzay, that I do agree with Batch and Aydin, that they stand better chance of Category A rugby and to challenge for silverware right now, than staying put

They're at least £14m away from Category A.

Re: What we currently look like for 2023 : Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:30 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

They're at least £14m away from Category A.

And I couldn’t care less about floating KR’s boat myself or what license they get.

What matters is how far we are from an A and what we are doing to build for the future.