Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:24 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Its extremely concerning that you feign concern should one of my children be affected by a vaccine and yet have total disregard for people affected by deaths due to Covid19 - HYPOCRITE.

My example was purely to illustrate the ease in which numbers can be encouraged to sign an on line petition but, you chose to take me literally.

You seem to look rather foolish now, dont you..

As for vaccines, as a parent I did agonise about the MMR vaccine which some people, perhaps like yourself, told us was dangerous.
Many people didn't immunise their kids and as a result, a disease, which had been eradicated in the UK, has now returned.
Perhaps the scaremongerers and conspiracists on this issue are very proud of their efforts, just as you may be at some point in the future

Crack on with your quest

I know which horse I'm backing in this particular race and despite your many, many, inane ramblings, i'm still happy with my choice and hope that you are too.
But you keep looking

Perhaps we should start a list of countries that have followed a similar path to the UK but are now pretty much through the other side, with their population still not "controlled" and where nanbots haven't been injected.

In answer to your wild accusations.

Its extremely concerning that you feign concern should one of my children be affected by a vaccine and yet have total disregard for people affected by deaths due to Covid19 – HYPOCRITE.

I have never shown disregard for anyone affected by a virus or all the other illnesess doing the rounds. Challenging the agenda behind “covid” and the techniques being used to combat the "virus" is not the same thing at all.


My example was purely to illustrate the ease in which numbers can be encouraged to sign an on line petition but, you chose to take me literally.

You seem to look rather foolish now, dont you..
No, because you stated this.
"The internet and social media are great platforms for stoking an interest and over blowing certain issues.
You compared the genuinely concerned with a joke petition. Your example assumed that those concerned with vaccines were easily duped into signing an online petition and their concerns were perhaps "over blown" and were therefore not genuinely concerned that this man Gates is seen as a danger. They have every right to be concerned for their children even if none of the allegations against him turn out to be true in any future investigation. Which we now know will not not take place.

As for vaccines, as a parent I did agonise about the MMR vaccine which some people, perhaps like yourself, told us was dangerous.

No, I never told you or anyone else it was “dangerous”.


Many people didn't immunise their kids and as a result, a disease, which had been eradicated in the UK, has now returned.
Perhaps the scaremongerers and conspiracists on this issue are very proud of their efforts, just as you may be at some point in the future

I have stated on this thread that I am not anti-vaccines I am open minded. You can go back and check. What I have stated is that I am very concerned about the new generation of vaccines and will continue to question their effectiveness and safety as all concerned citizens should. Yes, I have a distaste for Bill Gates who is neither a scientist nor a member of the medical profesion, and that makes me double wary.
Quite why that makes me a scaremonger I have no idea as you yourself have “agonised” over vaccines. What is the difference?

It's the same with anything. Something new comes out you question it's safety especially where children are concerned. I have grandchildren aged 18 months, 6, 8, 11 and 18years of age. I have never influenced their parents either way about vaccines. Discussed it yes, but why wouldn't you?

Crack on with your quest

If a quest is concerns about safety then so be it. I'm concerned about the safety of my car and house so I'm damn sure I have concerns about vaccines.

One last thing.
I do wish you would check your facts where I am concerned. All these untruths and assumptions you concoct do you a disservice. I know it is easy to lump all the people you disagree with in the same box and therefore run a smear campaign by linking us all together.i.e. guilty by association. It's an old trick but hey ho.

If I have stated any of the things you credit me with please re-produce them here. If so I will hold my hands up and eat humble pie. Can't say fairer than that.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:36 am  

Miro wrote:

In answer to your wild accusations.

Its extremely concerning that you feign concern should one of my children be affected by a vaccine and yet have total disregard for people affected by deaths due to Covid19 – HYPOCRITE.

I have never shown disregard for anyone affected by a virus or all the other illnesess doing the rounds. Challenging the agenda behind “covid” and the techniques being used to combat the "virus" is not the same thing at all.


My example was purely to illustrate the ease in which numbers can be encouraged to sign an on line petition but, you chose to take me literally.

You seem to look rather foolish now, dont you..
No, because you stated this.
"The internet and social media are great platforms for stoking an interest and over blowing certain issues.
You compared the genuinely concerned with a joke petition. Your example assumed that those concerned with vaccines were easily duped into signing an online petition and their concerns were perhaps "over blown" and were therefore not genuinely concerned that this man Gates is seen as a danger. They have every right to be concerned for their children even if none of the allegations against him turn out to be true in any future investigation. Which we now know will not not take place.

As for vaccines, as a parent I did agonise about the MMR vaccine which some people, perhaps like yourself, told us was dangerous.

No, I never told you or anyone else it was “dangerous”.


Many people didn't immunise their kids and as a result, a disease, which had been eradicated in the UK, has now returned.
Perhaps the scaremongerers and conspiracists on this issue are very proud of their efforts, just as you may be at some point in the future

I have stated on this thread that I am not anti-vaccines I am open minded. You can go back and check. What I have stated is that I am very concerned about the new generation of vaccines and will continue to question their effectiveness and safety as all concerned citizens should. Yes, I have a distaste for Bill Gates who is neither a scientist nor a member of the medical profesion, and that makes me double wary.
Quite why that makes me a scaremonger I have no idea as you yourself have “agonised” over vaccines. What is the difference?

It's the same with anything. Something new comes out you question it's safety especially where children are concerned. I have grandchildren aged 18 months, 6, 8, 11 and 18years of age. I have never influenced their parents either way about vaccines. Discussed it yes, but why wouldn't you?

Crack on with your quest

If a quest is concerns about safety then so be it. I'm concerned about the safety of my car and house so I'm damn sure I have concerns about vaccines.

One last thing.
I do wish you would check your facts where I am concerned. All these untruths and assumptions you concoct do you a disservice. I know it is easy to lump all the people you disagree with in the same box and therefore run a smear campaign by linking us all together.i.e. guilty by association. It's an old trick but hey ho.

If I have stated any of the things you credit me with please re-produce them here. If so I will hold my hands up and eat humble pie. Can't say fairer than that.

Oh dear, twisting the facts again ??

1/ I have never shown disregard for anyone affected by a virus or all the other illnesess doing the rounds. Challenging the agenda behind “covid” and the techniques being used to combat the "virus" is not the same thing at all.

Indeed you have.

You allow people into your "shop" not to use face coverings - completely against guidelines and you haven't a clue whether they may have the virus, therefore increasing the risk of transmission to both yourself, your staff (if you have any) and your next customer.
Yo are in denial about the numbers with the virus, the number that have died form the virus, the strain on NHS services etc, etc

2/ "The internet and social media are great platforms for stoking an interest and over blowing certain issues."

Stone cold fact - not even up for discussion and again, I was merely pointing out that, by per capita signing the 2 petitions, the naming of Boaty Mcboatface, was deemed more important to the UK public than your petition against Bill Gates - FACT

3/ No, I never told you or anyone else it was “dangerous”.

You certainly cast doubt on the vaccine and categorically stated that you wouldn't be "forced" into having one - maybe that's a glowing recommendation ?? the point still stands

You ask where the difference is with me having agonised about MMR.
It's bloody obvious. Were it not for people like you and you whipping up stories about the apparent dangers of such things, there would have been a higher take up on the vaccine and things like measles would not have come back.

4I do wish you would check your facts where I am concerned. All these untruths and assumptions you concoct do you a disservice. I know it is easy to lump all the people you disagree with in the same box and therefore run a smear campaign by linking us all together.i.e. guilty by association. It's an old trick but hey ho.

Oh really and yet you have accused ALL of the world's leaders of having been taken in by some "worlds reset" and "fake virus".
What is it you are saying about "lumping people together"


Perhaps if you hadnt aimed your own fight at "everyone" who doesn't agree with you, there could have been a more reasoned discussion on here.

hope this helps.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:11 am  

Housing secretary refuses to answer question on economic impact of a second lockdown.

Taken from interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio published and re-produced on YT 3rd November.

Please listen to this, make up your own minds. My kak handed transcript does not tell the half of it.

Housing secretary Robert Jenrick refused to answer Julia Hartley-Brewer's question on the economic impact of a second lockdown FOUR times.

He cannot produce a document showing they have made a damage assessment report because it appears they have not done one.

His repeated this answer “we are taking advice” did not answer the question therefore he had no facts or figures relating to the effects of the latest lockdown.

The minister said the “IC units are filling up.” Brewer disputed this and reminded him that statistics are readily available from the NHS to dispute his claim but still he carried on bluffing his way through the interview.

She repeatedly challenged him with available figures from the NHS in Liverpool for example showing there was absolutely no need for tier 3. Cases involving the over 60s have gone down in the previous three weeks yet he insisted they are going up.

“I don't know what figures you are quoting” he bleats so Julia gives him the website they are from
Corona virus.data .gov.co.uk The official government figures. Admitions to hospitals are going down, infections in the over 60s are going down yet he refuses to acknowledge his own governments figures.

She told him bluntly, “the reason you say we should go into lockdown is because figures are going up and I'm telling you they are not.”

“We took advice” he repeats over and over, Brewer reminds him that that advice is wrong.
How can you do this? She asks. “When it's destroying our economy.”

“Well, we didn't take this decision lightly” over and over. The stock answer to very direct questions.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:20 pm  

Miro wrote:

Housing secretary refuses to answer question on economic impact of a second lockdown.

Taken from interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio published and re-produced on YT 3rd November.

Please listen to this, make up your own minds. My kak handed transcript does not tell the half of it.

Housing secretary Robert Jenrick refused to answer Julia Hartley-Brewer's question on the economic impact of a second lockdown FOUR times.

He cannot produce a document showing they have made a damage assessment report because it appears they have not done one.

His repeated this answer “we are taking advise” did not answer the question therefore he had no facts or figures relating to the effects of the latest lockdown.

The minister said the “IC units are filling up.” Brewer disputed this and reminded him that statistics are readily available from the NHS to dispute his claim but still he carried on bluffing his way through the interview.

She repeatedly challenged him with available figures from the NHS in Liverpool for example showing there was absolutely no need for tier 3. Cases involving the over 60s have gone down in the previous three weeks yet he insisted they are going up.

“I don't know what figures you are quoting” he bleats so Julia gives him the website they are from
Corona virus.data .gov.co.uk The official government figures. Admitions to hospitals are going down, infections in the over 60s are going down yet he refuses to acknowledge his own governments figures.

She told him bluntly, “the reason you say we should go into lockdown is because figures are going up and I'm telling you they are not.”

“We took advice” he repeats over and over, Brewer reminds him that that advice is wrong.
How can you do this? She asks. “When it's destroying our economy.”

“Well, we didn't take this decision lightly” over and over. The stock answer to very direct questions.

I have also seen this interview, agree with everything you have said re this interview. That Man Jenrick, is an embarrassment when being interviewed, he wouldn’t even give a direct response to the question, would he be working from London, or his main residence, given his history of travel in the first lockdown.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:31 pm  

Miro wrote:

Housing secretary refuses to answer question on economic impact of a second lockdown.

Taken from interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio published and re-produced on YT 3rd November.

Please listen to this, make up your own minds. My kak handed transcript does not tell the half of it.

Housing secretary Robert Jenrick refused to answer Julia Hartley-Brewer's question on the economic impact of a second lockdown FOUR times.

He cannot produce a document showing they have made a damage assessment report because it appears they have not done one.

His repeated this answer “we are taking advice” did not answer the question therefore he had no facts or figures relating to the effects of the latest lockdown.

The minister said the “IC units are filling up.” Brewer disputed this and reminded him that statistics are readily available from the NHS to dispute his claim but still he carried on bluffing his way through the interview.

She repeatedly challenged him with available figures from the NHS in Liverpool for example showing there was absolutely no need for tier 3. Cases involving the over 60s have gone down in the previous three weeks yet he insisted they are going up.

“I don't know what figures you are quoting” he bleats so Julia gives him the website they are from
Corona virus.data .gov.co.uk The official government figures. Admitions to hospitals are going down, infections in the over 60s are going down yet he refuses to acknowledge his own governments figures.

She told him bluntly, “the reason you say we should go into lockdown is because figures are going up and I'm telling you they are not.”

“We took advice” he repeats over and over, Brewer reminds him that that advice is wrong.
How can you do this? She asks. “When it's destroying our economy.”

“Well, we didn't take this decision lightly” over and over. The stock answer to very direct questions.

I listened. Didn't get that at all.
He says the government have taken advise from economics advisors.
He isn't the guy who handles this so she was just hounding a guy who wasn't able to answer her questions.

He does 'refuse' to answer her. He gives her an answer she doesn't like so repeats it 4 times. It's hardly a ground breaking expose.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:12 pm  

TalkRadio is the only mainstream channel that can at least be bothered to ask difficult questions of the so called "experts" and government officials.

There was a really good interview today with former Chief Scientific Officer of Pfizer Dr Mike Yeadon that exposes this mess. He agrees with my analysis that the "pandemic" is essentially over.

Nice to finally hear someone talk sense for a change instead of listening to the scaremongering scientific advisors on BBC or Sly News. How on earth did the borthers grimm Whitty and Vallance even come up with modelling 4,000 deaths a day in the UK by December. The USA with 330 million people got no where near that during the peak back in April! Let them play with some toy train models in future as far as I'm concerned I wouldn't trust these two to run a bath.

PS Laughing non stop at the MSM and pollsters once again failing to predict anything accurately, they banged on for months about a Biden land slide. And once again they got it wrong. I'm beginning to think it was never about a prediction but good old fashioned electoral interference. A dirty tactic to get impressionable undecided voters to vote the "popular" democrats and try to put off Republican voters from going to the polls as it's a foregone conclusion. #DefundtheBBC

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:11 am  

PopTart wrote: I listened. Didn't get that at all. He says the government have taken advise from economics advisors. He isn't the guy who handles this so she was just hounding a guy who wasn't able to answer her questions. He does 'refuse' to answer her. He gives her an answer she doesn't like so repeats it 4 times. It's hardly a ground breaking expose. So why did he not say "I'm not your guy." Why did he accept the interview, they know damn well what the subject of the programme is going to be, standard practice. He was Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury from 9 January 2018 to 24 July 2019. I would imagine he has quite a handle upon the economics. The wrong guy? Open this link and read/. He appears to be far from the "wrong guy." to interview. Yet he has no clue what his own governments NHS data is and goe's so far as to quote the opposite. Nor can he manage to quote anything from, (in laymans terms,) a risk assesement something even the smallest businesses are expected to do. Link here https://robertjenrick.com/dailytelegraph2-11-20/ A few quotes. "We understand the huge impact further restrictions have on jobs, on livelihoods and on people’s mental health". Not according to the interview. As Local Government Secretary, I strongly believe that we were right in pursuing a local and regional approach to tackling this virus. That’s why after we ease restrictions on 2nd December we are planning to continue with a local approach according to the latest data and trends He pretends to not know the latest data and trends. Since Jenrick didn’t answer the question. I will answer it for him. They undoubtedly have looked in to the cost of the lockdown. But there is absolutely no way that they will ever publish it or even talk about it as the amounts involved are eye-watering and anyone reading it would find it impossible to justify a lockdown. The financial cost and the cost of non-COVID deaths is astronomical. But the government have embarked on a lockdown and in order to justify it they must suppress this information. And a quote from the comments section in answer to his supposed fear for the West Country. A fear that his own data does not back up apparently. “West country hospitals overwhelmed”...Really?? Derriford Hospital, Plymouth (West countries largest and busiest hospital) is a ghost town with only 20% of all beds occupied. For the clueless government............That translates to 80% beds empty. Now the content of that last paragraph may be true or false, check it out.

PopTart wrote: I listened. Didn't get that at all. He says the government have taken advise from economics advisors. He isn't the guy who handles this so she was just hounding a guy who wasn't able to answer her questions. He does 'refuse' to answer her. He gives her an answer she doesn't like so repeats it 4 times. It's hardly a ground breaking expose. So why did he not say "I'm not your guy." Why did he accept the interview, they know damn well what the subject of the programme is going to be, standard practice. He was Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury from 9 January 2018 to 24 July 2019. I would imagine he has quite a handle upon the economics. The wrong guy? Open this link and read/. He appears to be far from the "wrong guy." to interview. Yet he has no clue what his own governments NHS data is and goe's so far as to quote the opposite. Nor can he manage to quote anything from, (in laymans terms,) a risk assesement something even the smallest businesses are expected to do. Link here https://robertjenrick.com/dailytelegraph2-11-20/ A few quotes. "We understand the huge impact further restrictions have on jobs, on livelihoods and on people’s mental health". Not according to the interview. As Local Government Secretary, I strongly believe that we were right in pursuing a local and regional approach to tackling this virus. That’s why after we ease restrictions on 2nd December we are planning to continue with a local approach according to the latest data and trends He pretends to not know the latest data and trends. Since Jenrick didn’t answer the question. I will answer it for him. They undoubtedly have looked in to the cost of the lockdown. But there is absolutely no way that they will ever publish it or even talk about it as the amounts involved are eye-watering and anyone reading it would find it impossible to justify a lockdown. The financial cost and the cost of non-COVID deaths is astronomical. But the government have embarked on a lockdown and in order to justify it they must suppress this information. And a quote from the comments section in answer to his supposed fear for the West Country. A fear that his own data does not back up apparently. “West country hospitals overwhelmed”...Really?? Derriford Hospital, Plymouth (West countries largest and busiest hospital) is a ghost town with only 20% of all beds occupied. For the clueless government............That translates to 80% beds empty. Now the content of that last paragraph may be true or false, check it out.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:32 am  

MatthewTrin wrote:

TalkRadio is the only mainstream channel that can at least be bothered to ask difficult questions of the so called "experts" and government officials.

There was a really good interview today with former Chief Scientific Officer of Pfizer Dr Mike Yeadon that exposes this mess. He agrees with my analysis that the "pandemic" is essentially over.

Nice to finally hear someone talk sense for a change instead of listening to the scaremongering scientific advisors on BBC or Sly News. How on earth did the borthers grimm Whitty and Vallance even come up with modelling 4,000 deaths a day in the UK by December. The USA with 330 million people got no where near that during the peak back in April! Let them play with some toy train models in future as far as I'm concerned I wouldn't trust these two to run a bath.

PS Laughing non stop at the MSM and pollsters once again failing to predict anything accurately, they banged on for months about a Biden land slide. And once again they got it wrong. I'm beginning to think it was never about a prediction but good old fashioned electoral interference. A dirty tactic to get impressionable undecided voters to vote the "popular" democrats and try to put off Republican voters from going to the polls as it's a foregone conclusion. #DefundtheBBC

It's not that the BBC and other main stream channels can't be bothered, they have been ordered not to challenge (too hard) the official narrative.. See interview with TV jounalist Eamonn Holmes OBE. Tragic what the media in this country have been reduced to. Thank goodness for the independents, but still too few in number.
And tragic too that so many on here rely on the BBC for their news.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:51 am  

Miro wrote:

It's not that the BBC and other main stream channels can't be bothered, they have been ordered not to challenge (too hard) the official narrative.. See interview with TV jounalist Eamonn Holmes OBE. Tragic what the media in this country have been reduced to. Thank goodness for the independents, but still too few in number.
And tragic too that so many on here rely on the BBC for their news.

Baseless facts claimed again.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:04 am  

Whether you find the BBC impartial or not news is put out and they will correct it if found to be untrue, now this alarms me if it's not bad enough with the covid 19 there a mutated version now from mink https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54835538

Whether you find the BBC impartial or not news is put out and they will correct it if found to be untrue, now this alarms me if it's not bad enough with the covid 19 there a mutated version now from mink https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54835538