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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:53 am  

Miro wrote:

And a quote from the comments section in answer to his supposed fear for the West Country. A fear that his own data does not back up apparently.

“West country hospitals overwhelmed”...Really??
Derriford Hospital, Plymouth (West countries largest and busiest hospital) is a ghost town with only 20% of all beds occupied.
For the clueless government............That translates to 80% beds empty.

Now the content of that last paragraph may be true or false, check it out.

1) If you are taking your facts from the comments section of online posts then you a really in trouble.
2) It is your responsibility to fact check your facts, not us. Don't post it if you don't know. It just adds to the view that you are just posting things to troll us all.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:32 am  

PopTart wrote:

1) If you are taking your facts from the comments section of online posts then you a really in trouble.
2) It is your responsibility to fact check your facts, not us. Don't post it if you don't know. It just adds to the view that you are just posting things to troll us all.

I DID NOT say it was a "fact".
I said it may be true..... it may be false.....check it out.

Are you saying people cannot make up their own minds and use someone from the actual West Country as a start off point.

Again, I did not say it was "fact".

Please do not ascribe words and meanings to me that I did not say. Please read the full post rather than jumping to a knee jerk reaction. Check YOUR facts. That is your responssibility.

And I thought you would be back to defend your Mr Jenrick.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:43 am  

PopTart wrote:

Baseless facts claimed again.

The words of journalist Eamonn Holmes OBE former GMT and Sky presenter is are a baseless fact are they?
I have posted the link to his comments before, you may look for it.

Anyone who listens to the BBC interview techniques can spot the deficiencies instantly. You don't even need Mr Holmes to spill the beans on this one.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:07 pm  

Miro wrote:

I DID NOT say it was a "fact".
I said it may be true..... it may be false.....check it out.

Are you saying people cannot make up their own minds and use someone from the actual West Country as a start off point.

Again, I did not say it was "fact".

Please do not ascribe words and meanings to me that I did not say. Please read the full post rather than jumping to a knee jerk reaction. Check YOUR facts. That is your responssibility.

And I thought you would be back to defend your Mr Jenrick.

You are trying to convince us of something and using a comment section to prove your case. I'm worried for you if that's were you are trying to get credibility.
If you are saying it isn't a fact, why post it? It certainly does make a case against the actual facts previously posted.

If I post a fact, you can assume I checked it.
If I post an opinion you can assume I back it.
I don't post little comments that imply a fact but are based on nothing but none expert opinion and then deny that I said it...... Can you say that?

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:11 pm  

Miro wrote:

The words of journalist Eamonn Holmes OBE former GMT and Sky presenter is are a baseless fact are they?
I have posted the link to his comments before, you may look for it.

Anyone who listens to the BBC interview techniques can spot the deficiencies instantly. You don't even need Mr Holmes to spill the beans on this one.

I realise it's hard for you to keep track of which of your baseless facts we are discussing but for clarity, this is the baseless fact I was referring to:

Miro wrote:
"It's not that the BBC and other main stream channels can't be bothered, they have been ordered not to challenge (too hard) the official narrative."

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:18 pm  

Miro wrote:

The words of journalist Eamonn Holmes OBE former GMT and Sky presenter

is are a baseless fact are they? My dear Miro can you clear up what you are trying to say with the final few words of the above sentence please

I have posted the link to his comments before, you may look for it.

Anyone who listens to the BBC interview techniques can spot the deficiencies instantly. You don't even need Mr Holmes to spill the beans on this one.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:45 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I realise it's hard for you to keep track of which of your baseless facts we are discussing but for clarity, this is the baseless fact I was referring to:

Miro wrote:
"It's not that the BBC and other main stream channels can't be bothered, they have been ordered not to challenge (too hard) the official narrative."

Yes, and that is exactly what Mr Holmes was referring to. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
Refer also, as I posted previously, to the BBCs own Emma Barret re what reporters have been told not to question re vaccines.

Please, and I have asked you this many times, to point out baseless facts I have allegedly made.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:58 pm  

PopTart wrote:

You are trying to convince us of something and using a comment section to prove your case. I'm worried for you if that's were you are trying to get credibility.
If you are saying it isn't a fact, why post it? It certainly does make a case against the actual facts previously posted.

If I post a fact, you can assume I checked it.
If I post an opinion you can assume I back it.
I don't post little comments that imply a fact but are based on nothing but none expert opinion and then deny that I said it...... Can you say that?

Why post it? Did I not tell you? I'll repeat. Your guy, who you now choose not to defend now you have been shown he is not "the wrong guy" made accusations about West Country hospitals which appear not to be correct.
Beneath, in the comments, was someone presumably from the actual West Country, who disputed those figures. and gave his own account.
I repeated that in order that anyone wishing to make their own investigation could do so and use that anecdotal evidence as a starting off point, especially as he made references to a particular hospital.

That is I being quite prepared to let people decide for themselves and inviting them to do so.


No where did I imply it was a fact. How did I imply it was a fact when I said it may be true, it may be false, make up your own mind.

Now, how do you know it is nothing more than "none expert opinion" Is that an opinion from you or a fact? Should you not check your facts before making this assertion?

I made it quite plain it was not my opinion or a fact

Get it now?

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:54 pm  

Miro wrote:

Why post it? Did I not tell you? I'll repeat. Your guy, who you now choose not to defend now you have been shown he is not "the wrong guy" made accusations about West Country hospitals which appear not to be correct.
Beneath, in the comments, was someone presumably from the actual West Country, who disputed those figures. and gave his own account.
I repeated that in order that anyone wishing to make their own investigation could do so and use that anecdotal evidence as a starting off point, especially as he made references to a particular hospital.

That is I being quite prepared to let people decide for themselves and inviting them to do so.


No where did I imply it was a fact. How did I imply it was a fact when I said it may be true, it may be false, make up your own mind.

Now, how do you know it is nothing more than "none expert opinion" Is that an opinion from you or a fact? Should you not check your facts before making this assertion?

I made it quite plain it was not my opinion or a fact

Get it now?

I have no idea who "Your Guy" is.

But just so I'm clear. What's your opinion on the anecdotal evidence? By posting it in a thread which is predominantly you telling us not to believe mainstream media, anyone in authority of any political persuasion or the medical profession, I assumed you believed it and was asking us to do the same?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:52 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I have no idea who "Your Guy" is.

But just so I'm clear. What's your opinion on the anecdotal evidence? By posting it in a thread which is predominantly you telling us not to believe mainstream media, anyone in authority of any political persuasion or the medical profession, I assumed you believed it and was asking us to do the same?

Your guy is MP Robert Jenrick who made a fool of himself on Talk Radio when interviewed by Julia Hartley-Brewer. The guy who you believe is the "wrong guy to ask." Yet my post reveals he should have been the guy to ask.

I have not or ever asked anyone to disbelieve just anyone of any political persuasion, just those who pretend not to know their facts from their elbow, or the details of a risk assessment like Robert Jenrick and your leader, Boris Johnson.

I have never said do not believe anyone in the medical profession. There are many in the medical profession you can believe.

Again, show me where I have said these things, do not just accuse me. You have all the facts to hand. If I am as you say I am it should be ever so easy, just dip into any post I have made.

Do not assume I believe an anecdote is to be believed when I state it may be false. That very word should make you assume I think there is a possibility that it may be........wait for it........................FALSE.

I cannot make it any clearer than that.

Why you continue with these falsehoods I do not know. I know shooting the messenger is a great tactic to draw attention away from the real issues i.e. Jenwick's dreadful embarrassment of an interview but come on.