Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:21 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Millions of people enjoy alcohol without any problem.

The exact same thing can be said of recreational drugs; the issue of course is that those people are forced to become criminals to obtain them, and there are no safety or purity standards in place during manufacture, to protect them from harm. Not to mention the big lie that sits at the heart of drug education - "Drugs are bad, m'kay.." If you're 17 and dropping your first E, that is quite clearly not the case - but squeamish drug education hasn't equipped you with honest information about what you can expect, or how to take care of yourself during and after.

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:40 pm  

Most drug professionals say that most drug deaths don't come from the drugs but what's cut it in with the drugs, to make it into a greater amount. During Prohibition in the USA, alcohol related poisoning went up and it was controlled by a crime.

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:56 pm  

Walker will most likely be sacked, he'll miss the World Cup and more than likely be out of the game for 2-4 years depending on who you believe. He's let us down and himself down. There's no point sugar coating it - he clearly has a problem if he thinks he can take cocaine in the days leading up to a match. Whether that problem is addiction / mental health or a personality defect is for him to decide. I have some sympathy - I'm a recovering alcoholic. I hope Walker gets the help he needs but that'll start with himself.

As a club/as supporters this situation is incredibly frustrating. Three years in a row now at a critical time of the season substance / booze abuse or poor conduct have come to the fore - it's destabilising for the squad and causes resentment in the group. I hope we get passed that this year and get a couple of wins.

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:57 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Jesus h Christ - that's such a mish-mosh of ill-informed, offensive, racist, moralistic Daily Mail nonsense, I don't know where to begin; it sounds to me like you've been watching so much dystopic, dark future sci-fi, such that you now see the world as an episode of The Walking Dead. Either that, or you're so disconnected from and frightened by youth culture, that you've retreated to the moral high ground and dug yourself in.

I agree that in a professional environment where drugs, and certain behaviours, are prohibited, the employer has and should exercise an absolute right to deal with people who transgress - but to dismiss drug use in the way you've described it is just ignorant.

To the other poster's point about not seeing marauding gangs fighting over supplies of alcohol - that happens instead in the boardrooms of multinational booze manufacturers, because for some perverse reason, we have legalised and accepted some mind-altering substances, but not others; if we had a more sensible approach to this stuff, the criminal activity that you've identified would reduce significantly - plenty of countries have done it, with positive effects. In the UK, there's too much moralising for it to be a sensible conversation - but one would hope that as the influence of old duffers and the Daily Mail diminish, some politicians might be brave enough to tackle it.

i dont mind folk disagreeing with me. That is the whole point of a forum but i wont have folk calling me a racist etc and assuming things about me. I don't read ANY newspaper, i dont watch all the brainwashing nonsense on tv, i am quite moralistic yes, but i don't think in any way that is a bad thing. Ill informed??? How??? Because i agree with the current law that all drugs are banned and should stay banned? I am NOT racist. I am just not afraid to be non pc. I hate the way muslims treat women and white people. You might not like that but it isn't racist. Black Harlem music as i reffered to is what it is. Its gang orientated music (almost) that influences younger people into thinking gangs, drugs and weapons are cool. Its the same with Compton, Detroit etc. The teenagers in Birmingham and London listening to and copying this garbage. Every week there is a gang related stabbing and i am sorry if this offends your self righteous attitude but they are all black. Everyone can see it but not everyone is afraid to say it. I am afraid that isnt racist. Is the Black Police Federation racist in your eyes? Or the constant barraging in the media that there aren't enough black managers in football. Is that not racist to whites and other ethnicities?

Afraid of youth culture. No they are doing a fine job. I am prejudice about what some people and cultures believe in not what colour their skin is. Take out a dictionary and look up the word racist before you go lavishly brandishing it about in future.

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:05 pm  

Cherry_Warrior wrote:

i dont mind folk disagreeing with me. That is the whole point of a forum but i wont have folk calling me a racist etc and assuming things about me. I don't read ANY newspaper, i dont watch all the brainwashing nonsense on tv, i am quite moralistic yes, but i don't think in any way that is a bad thing. Ill informed??? How??? Because i agree with the current law that all drugs are banned and should stay banned? I am NOT racist. I am just not afraid to be non pc. I hate the way muslims treat women and white people. You might not like that but it isn't racist. Black Harlem music as i reffered to is what it is. Its gang orientated music (almost) that influences younger people into thinking gangs, drugs and weapons are cool. Its the same with Compton, Detroit etc. The teenagers in Birmingham and London listening to and copying this garbage. Every week there is a gang related stabbing and i am sorry if this offends your self righteous attitude but they are all black. Everyone can see it but not everyone is afraid to say it. I am afraid that isnt racist. Is the Black Police Federation racist in your eyes? Or the constant barraging in the media that there aren't enough black managers in football. Is that not racist to whites and other ethnicities?

Afraid of youth culture. No they are doing a fine job.

For what it's worth I thought the response to your post was disgusting. As you say we all have a right to disagree with each other, you aired your opinion but the name calling and assumptions were beyond the pale.

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:06 pm  

wakefieldwall wrote:

Walker will most likely be sacked, he'll miss the World Cup and more than likely be out of the game for 2-4 years depending on who you believe. He's let us down and himself down. There's no point sugar coating it - he clearly has a problem if he thinks he can take cocaine in the days leading up to a match. Whether that problem is addiction / mental health or a personality defect is for him to decide. I have some sympathy - I'm a recovering alcoholic. I hope Walker gets the help he needs but that'll start with himself.

As a club/as supporters this situation is incredibly frustrating. Three years in a row now at a critical time of the season substance / booze abuse or poor conduct have come to the fore - it's destabilising for the squad and causes resentment in the group. I hope we get passed that this year and get a couple of wins.

That thought passed my mind, I wondered if this coming out affected the players

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:26 pm  

Cherry_Warrior wrote:

I don't read ANY newspaper, i dont watch all the brainwashing nonsense on tv,

Every week there is a gang related stabbing and i am sorry if this offends your self righteous attitude but they are all black.

Just curious where you get this info from if not the papers and TV?

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:45 pm  

djcool wrote:

That thought passed my mind, I wondered if this coming out affected the players

It certainly affected team selection !

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:51 pm  

Back to the original thread.

Just sack him.

Re: Adam Walker : Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:09 pm  

Cherry_Warrior wrote:

i dont mind folk disagreeing with me.

The evidence would suggest otherwise.

You leap from a discussion about drugs, to comments about 'black music' and immigration - that's racist and offensive, whether you like it or not; either circumstance, for the avoidance of doubt, being a matter of absolute indifference to me.