Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:06 pm  

RuddyScoosers wrote:

How come it's ALWAYS the officials fault whenever Wakey get beat? Ever thought it maybe down to you having a pretty average side?

Jonno over on VT is spot-on about you blaming the ref for any defeat and moaning like this you continue to prove him right.

agree with this - was it the ref that made Johnstone run it on half time that eventually cost us two. points that would of won the game- was it the ref that made Lynne drop the ball when we got with in six ?

If the ref really was biased and didn't want us to win he would of disallowed booth of johnstones tries that could of gone either way

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:12 pm  

BOJ042 wrote:

agree with this - was it the ref that made Johnstone run it on half time that eventually cost us two. points that would of won the game- was it the ref that made Lynne drop the ball when we got with in six ?

If the ref really was biased and didn't want us to win he would of disallowed booth of johnstones tries that could of gone either way

How could he have done that?
They were clearly tries.
As usual you are commenting on something when you are not there.

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:13 pm  

BOJ042 wrote:

agree with this - was it the ref that made Johnstone run it on half time that eventually cost us two. points that would of won the game- was it the ref that made Lynne drop the ball when we got with in six ?

If the ref really was biased and didn't want us to win he would of disallowed booth of johnstones tries that could of gone either way

Who are you talking about??

Out of the 5000 fans there supporting Wakey on Friday, exactly who are ALL these fans blaming the ref? Go on, make a list of posters on here who have blamed Child - there may be 10.

It's an urban myth that any club, never mind Wakey, always blame the ref. Hell, we've watched enough substandard teams in our time to know we aren't always competitive and don't need to find scapegoats.

Cut the hyperbole.

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:17 pm  

RuddyScoosers wrote:

How come it's ALWAYS the officials fault whenever Wakey get beat? Ever thought it maybe down to you having a pretty average side?

Jonno over on VT is spot-on about you blaming the ref for any defeat and moaning like this you continue to prove him right.

Always? I think if you look back at posts about our defeat v Hull KR in Rd 1 for example you'll see no blame other than we were crap.

The thread is about James Child, no one else. There is nothing better than seeing any other guy getting appointed to our fixture. We love other refs.

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:17 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

How could he have done that?
They were clearly tries.
As usual you are commenting on something when you are not there.

Oh, no, I can agree with that point - if Child really wanted to ensure a Hull FC win, he could very easily have called no-try on those. Ruling out such miraculous trys would be easy to explain away as "human error".

I have no doubt at all the ref made mistakes in the game; but because he's a cheat? No way.

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:20 pm  

dboy wrote:

Oh, no, I can agree with that point - if Child really wanted to ensure a Hull FC win, he could very easily have called no-try on those. Ruling out such miraculous trys would be easy to explain away as "human error".

I have no doubt at all the ref made mistakes in the game; but because he's a cheat? No way.

I think you'll find it was the touch judge that gave both decisions.
He would have looked a bit daft overruling it when the touch judge gave it as he was so close...

....and I've never said that he was a cheat, so if your implying that, I hope you'll take it back.

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:22 pm  

Daddycool wrote:

And you’re happy that ‘criticising’ the referee (and we all know it’s more then that, it’s downright personal abuse) leads to a wife posting a public message about the effect his night’s ‘work’ has on her, his kids, his home life, and, god knows, their mental health. Well I’m sorry, but I draw the line at that. And, as I said in my earlier post, it’s not just referee’s. People working their socks off, for the good of this Club get some shameful abuse. If you are happy to condone that fine. But I see some of the complete guff that gets said. It rips my heart out, and I consider myself mentally strong. I’ve had people in tears in my office after reading personal abuse directed at them on social media. Don’t tell me it goes with the territory. That’s the excuse of the abusers. We need to remember that we are all human beings, and return to compassion and understanding, rather then always looking for someone to blame!

Of course I'm not happy that referees and their families get the abuse and threats from certain sections of the community and I never said that and never will condone such actions as I said in my previous post. No one in any legitimate job should suffer such actions, and I take umbrage to the idea that you seem to think that I may do so.
The references in my previous post were to your statement that all referees deserved respect. I recall that when you took over the reins of Wakefield Trinity you stated that you were a man of honesty and integrity and I have no reason to believe that the claim was not true as you appear to be a gentleman. But can you honestly put your hand on your heart and state that you believe that James Child refereed last Friday's game and the earlier game at Castleford fairly and honestly. ?
I eagerly await your response.

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:39 pm  

Redscat wrote:

In my 64 years watching Trinity referees have always been subject to criticism and probably always will be. Your suggestion to close down the discussion on criticising referees is tantamount to censorship. In your position I suppose to criticise referees is taboo; to us, the spectator I'm afraid it isn't taboo.

I think the point being made is that it's a different world now.

I never used to hear my dad swear as a kid, except from the terraces of Belle Vue, and often directed towards the referee. That has always been there, and I think most people accept it as part of the pantomime of supporting sports. But social media has changed everything. It's made it the equivalent of sitting behind the ref on the bus as he goes home from the game, screaming in his ear, and then shouting through his window all night about what a dreadful person he is.

I don't mind Child on the whole. He's made some decisions I've found baffling from time to time (the potential penalty try for Batchelor at Cas, for example) but I've never considered it as bias. We give penalties away when we're under the cosh, and the nature of our squad means that we will often find ourselves under the cosh (ie, not as good as some of the other squads).

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:08 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Of course I'm not happy that referees and their families get the abuse and threats from certain sections of the community and I never said that and never will condone such actions as I said in my previous post. No one in any legitimate job should suffer such actions, and I take umbrage to the idea that you seem to think that I may do so.
The references in my previous post were to your statement that all referees deserved respect. I recall that when you took over the reins of Wakefield Trinity you stated that you were a man of honesty and integrity and I have no reason to believe that the claim was not true as you appear to be a gentleman. But can you honestly put your hand on your heart and state that you believe that James Child refereed last Friday's game and the earlier game at Castleford fairly and honestly. ?
I eagerly await your response.

Yes I can. I don’t believe any ref is unfair or dishonest. I don’t think I can be any clearer

Re: Match officials : Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:12 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

I think the point being made is that it's a different world now.

I never used to hear my dad swear as a kid, except from the terraces of Belle Vue, and often directed towards the referee. That has always been there, and I think most people accept it as part of the pantomime of supporting sports. But social media has changed everything. It's made it the equivalent of sitting behind the ref on the bus as he goes home from the game, screaming in his ear, and then shouting through his window all night about what a dreadful person he is.

I don't mind Child on the whole. He's made some decisions I've found baffling from time to time (the potential penalty try for Batchelor at Cas, for example) but I've never considered it as bias. We give penalties away when we're under the cosh, and the nature of our squad means that we will often find ourselves under the cosh (ie, not as good as some of the other squads).

We weren't giving penalties away when Child waved an extra six tackles for a deliberate kick for a rebound off the Trinity players legs. We were weren't giving penalties away when Hull were constantly stood offside and not punished. We weren't giving penalties away when Johnstone was tackled in mid air when taking a high ball.
I agree it's a vastly different world to the one that you and I remember; mostly made all the worse by the appearance of so-called social media. Apart from my taking part on this forum I have no truck at all with social media being it Facebook or Twitter or any other form. I despise it and the anti-social behaviour that has resulted from its inception.