[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:51 am  

Miro wrote:

You said this "and if not going on holiday will stop even 1 person dying I think it's worth it. "
That infers, if I'm not wrong, that someone may die if you fly and therefore, using the same logic someone may die if you drive around in your car...and the rest.

As for the other, I don't agree. I have, for example, answered a question about why so many countries in the world are all in lockstep with each other yet you all ignore this and simply fall back on nit picking two or three words in a sentence and ignore all other points I try to raise.. All talk disends to the rules i.e masks, distancing, statistics real and bogus etc. I have tried to open up the debate to include the bigger picture and provided plenty of links (on the other thread) but almost no one, including yourself, are willing to debate these issues.

For example, I posted the report using links from a scientific panel appointed by the German the interior ministry and composed by external medical experts from several German universities. The report did not accept the official (and your) narrative and was immediatly buried (cencord) by the German government. I won't go back over that but just to say everyone ignored it on this forum (except Wrencat) including you. It was an example of government cencorship that we also have here. That was just one example, or two if you include the lockstep explanation.
So you see Pop Tart, I try to debate but without a response it just seems like I'm "lecturing" and then I end up letting myself be dragged back to nit picking over minor points and yes, I'm guilty of it.

In fact I'm going to nit pick Dreadnought right now.
Naaah !!!

Jeeeez...is that the time, Night all.

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But that's the point I guess. If there is a statewide or world wide opinion that you then challenge, the onus is on you to prove your case. You quote single people who challenge but that in itself isn't proof. You tend to then challenge everyone and say prove me wrong.

I haven't got all the facts to hand but I know people are dying because every news agency and every government says so. For you to challenge something that big can't be just done by throwing a fact in here and there. It has to be sound and logical and have substance. Much of your evidence, although very well written works on the basis that everyone else is lying. I just find that hard to believe.

And when we get into specifics like the pub scenario. To me, even if you are right, there is no hardship to rage against. Wearing masks and cleaning hands is just a good idea, covid or flu or other virus.
In terms of crowds at sporting events. That's tough there is no doubt but until the cases of Covid are under control it also seems like a good idea. We suffer more than most as we don't have a lot of money in the sport but it's down to the RFL to find a way.

And the car implication you speak of isn't quite accurate. We all know there is a risk to driving. We don't drive like maniacs following our own rules. We follow government guidelines to drive at a speed limit to make the road safer. So if driving on a motorway that has always been 70 miles an hour, at 60 miles an hour because the limit has changed to make it safer, means it may save one life. Yep I do that. Don't you?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:36 am  

Miro can you please tell us all what kind of medical expertise you have to back up all your claims please

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:34 am  

Miro wrote:

You said this "and if not going on holiday will stop even 1 person dying I think it's worth it. "
That infers, if I'm not wrong, that someone may die if you fly and therefore, using the same logic someone may die if you drive around in your car...and the rest.

As for the other, I don't agree. I have, for example, answered a question about why so many countries in the world are all in lockstep with each other yet you all ignore this and simply fall back on nit picking two or three words in a sentence and ignore all other points I try to raise.. All talk disends to the rules i.e masks, distancing, statistics real and bogus etc. I have tried to open up the debate to include the bigger picture and provided plenty of links (on the other thread) but almost no one, including yourself, are willing to debate these issues.

For example, I posted the report using links from a scientific panel appointed by the German the interior ministry and composed by external medical experts from several German universities. The report did not accept the official (and your) narrative and was immediatly buried (cencord) by the German government. I won't go back over that but just to say everyone ignored it on this forum (except Wrencat) including you. It was an example of government cencorship that we also have here. That was just one example, or two if you include the lockstep explanation.
So you see Pop Tart, I try to debate but without a response it just seems like I'm "lecturing" and then I end up letting myself be dragged back to nit picking over minor points and yes, I'm guilty of it.

In fact I'm going to nit pick Dreadnought right now.
Naaah !!!

Jeeeez...is that the time, Night all.




.

nit pick all you want fella, we all know I'm harder than you.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:33 am  

Pretty much everyone else except us are allowed to pilot test crowds returning.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:41 am  

Willzay wrote:

Pretty much everyone else except us are allowed to pilot test crowds returning.

Why do you think that is?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:56 am  

I’m surprised Cas are allowed fans in considering A) It’s Jungle and B) they’re a bunch of scruffs.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:19 am  

TheDreadnought wrote:

Why do you think that is?

We haven’t got a game?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:55 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

We haven’t got a game?

Sports pilots are not able to take place in areas with high coronavirus incidence rates. For this reason the Salford Red Devils v Warrington Wolves fixture, also scheduled for September 30, has not joined the approved list for spectators in the pilot programme.

Why couldn’t a game be arranged involving Trinity at home to one of the above clubs. Makes sense to me.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:16 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

Sports pilots are not able to take place in areas with high coronavirus incidence rates. For this reason the Salford Red Devils v Warrington Wolves fixture, also scheduled for September 30, has not joined the approved list for spectators in the pilot programme.

Why couldn’t a game be arranged involving Trinity at home to one of the above clubs. Makes sense to me.

As it stands Belle Vue hasn't had the ok to stage games anyway so why would they re-write the fixture list for a game that might not be able to take place?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:29 am  

PopTart wrote: But that's the point I guess. If there is a statewide or world wide opinion that you then challenge, the onus is on you to prove your case. You quote single people who challenge but that in itself isn't proof. You tend to then challenge everyone and say prove me wrong. I haven't got all the facts to hand but I know people are dying because every news agency and every government says so. For you to challenge something that big can't be just done by throwing a fact in here and there. It has to be sound and logical and have substance. Much of your evidence, although very well written works on the basis that everyone else is lying. I just find that hard to believe. And when we get into specifics like the pub scenario. To me, even if you are right, there is no hardship to rage against. Wearing masks and cleaning hands is just a good idea, covid or flu or other virus. In terms of crowds at sporting events. That's tough there is no doubt but until the cases of Covid are under control it also seems like a good idea. We suffer more than most as we don't have a lot of money in the sport but it's down to the RFL to find a way. And the car implication you speak of isn't quite accurate. We all know there is a risk to driving. We don't drive like maniacs following our own rules. We follow government guidelines to drive at a speed limit to make the road safer. So if driving on a motorway that has always been 70 miles an hour, at 60 miles an hour because the limit has changed to make it safer, means it may save one life. Yep I do that. Don't you? I don't think I have used the term "proof" but rather it is evidence that has to be taken seriously wether we like it or not. We are not getting evidence to counter the official narrative from main stream journalists or doctors and scientists. But that is not to say hundreds of the latter are, and have been from the start, challenging the words coming out of the mouths of Boris, Bill Whitty and that Hancock fella. I have noticed this almost from day one and that made me suspicious of the BBC, Sky, ITV etc. What I have seen can only be described as "fear porn" that has terrorised huge swaithes of the population. Listen to the evidence from Eamon Holmes a well known TV and ratio journalist who reveald a couple of weeks ago that journalists are NOT being allowed to ask awkward questions of our politicians, at least not on the BBC, Sky etc. My evidence does not work on the basis that "everyone else is lying" it is simply evidence. Not "everyone is lying" but the non lyers, those who aren't in the pay of big pharma, Bill Gates etc are being silenced, kicked of platforms such as twitter and youtube. Take Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, as an example. Pretty much opposed to the narrative and why shouldn't he be if that's what he believes but many of his youtube videos were taken down almost as fast as he uploaded them. This is a man who was once a "go to" for the media when medical matters arose and who had regular newspaper columns. But not now, dropped like a hot potatoe since this covid bussiness started. He has since stopped uploading and is now on another platform .Brand New Tube https://www.vernoncoleman.com/ International best-selling author, Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, shows precisely how mortality figures have been fiddled to make the covid-19 deaths seem frightening. He explains how deaths from flu, pneumonia, dementia and respiratory disease have been listed as covid-19 deaths. He reports on the fact that a third of women with breast cancer have been denied treatment, and how Imperial College has found that the lockdowns which their exaggerated figures triggered, will lead to 1.4 million extra TB deaths. Take the case of Dr Mohammad Iqbal who has been suspended for 12 months by the GMC simply for speaking out and telling the truth as he saw it from his position as a practicing doctor. This is a GP with an unblemished 40 year record. Disgracefull the treatment he has recieved. Thankfully hundreds of doctors have signed a petition to have him re instated. This begs the question, what are the politicians and the mainsteam media afraid of? You should be asking this but so far you appear to take everything they say as gospel. Thankfully I hear that Hartley-Brewer on Talk radio challenged Whitty quite forcefully on the question of false positives re the testing showing the test to be totaly unreliable.

PopTart wrote: But that's the point I guess. If there is a statewide or world wide opinion that you then challenge, the onus is on you to prove your case. You quote single people who challenge but that in itself isn't proof. You tend to then challenge everyone and say prove me wrong. I haven't got all the facts to hand but I know people are dying because every news agency and every government says so. For you to challenge something that big can't be just done by throwing a fact in here and there. It has to be sound and logical and have substance. Much of your evidence, although very well written works on the basis that everyone else is lying. I just find that hard to believe. And when we get into specifics like the pub scenario. To me, even if you are right, there is no hardship to rage against. Wearing masks and cleaning hands is just a good idea, covid or flu or other virus. In terms of crowds at sporting events. That's tough there is no doubt but until the cases of Covid are under control it also seems like a good idea. We suffer more than most as we don't have a lot of money in the sport but it's down to the RFL to find a way. And the car implication you speak of isn't quite accurate. We all know there is a risk to driving. We don't drive like maniacs following our own rules. We follow government guidelines to drive at a speed limit to make the road safer. So if driving on a motorway that has always been 70 miles an hour, at 60 miles an hour because the limit has changed to make it safer, means it may save one life. Yep I do that. Don't you? I don't think I have used the term "proof" but rather it is evidence that has to be taken seriously wether we like it or not. We are not getting evidence to counter the official narrative from main stream journalists or doctors and scientists. But that is not to say hundreds of the latter are, and have been from the start, challenging the words coming out of the mouths of Boris, Bill Whitty and that Hancock fella. I have noticed this almost from day one and that made me suspicious of the BBC, Sky, ITV etc. What I have seen can only be described as "fear porn" that has terrorised huge swaithes of the population. Listen to the evidence from Eamon Holmes a well known TV and ratio journalist who reveald a couple of weeks ago that journalists are NOT being allowed to ask awkward questions of our politicians, at least not on the BBC, Sky etc. My evidence does not work on the basis that "everyone else is lying" it is simply evidence. Not "everyone is lying" but the non lyers, those who aren't in the pay of big pharma, Bill Gates etc are being silenced, kicked of platforms such as twitter and youtube. Take Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, as an example. Pretty much opposed to the narrative and why shouldn't he be if that's what he believes but many of his youtube videos were taken down almost as fast as he uploaded them. This is a man who was once a "go to" for the media when medical matters arose and who had regular newspaper columns. But not now, dropped like a hot potatoe since this covid bussiness started. He has since stopped uploading and is now on another platform .Brand New Tube https://www.vernoncoleman.com/ International best-selling author, Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, shows precisely how mortality figures have been fiddled to make the covid-19 deaths seem frightening. He explains how deaths from flu, pneumonia, dementia and respiratory disease have been listed as covid-19 deaths. He reports on the fact that a third of women with breast cancer have been denied treatment, and how Imperial College has found that the lockdowns which their exaggerated figures triggered, will lead to 1.4 million extra TB deaths. Take the case of Dr Mohammad Iqbal who has been suspended for 12 months by the GMC simply for speaking out and telling the truth as he saw it from his position as a practicing doctor. This is a GP with an unblemished 40 year record. Disgracefull the treatment he has recieved. Thankfully hundreds of doctors have signed a petition to have him re instated. This begs the question, what are the politicians and the mainsteam media afraid of? You should be asking this but so far you appear to take everything they say as gospel. Thankfully I hear that Hartley-Brewer on Talk radio challenged Whitty quite forcefully on the question of false positives re the testing showing the test to be totaly unreliable.