Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:43 am  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

Bottom line is he should have gone to the video ref.
Not sure about (blatent) cheating - but total imcompatence.
I wonder if he'd have gone to the screen if it had been at the other end........
.....Or had just given the penalty try himself..........

Correct, I never said blatant cheating myself as it wasn't that kind of cheating. I just think he cheated the fans as that one could have cost us dearly with no justification.

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Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:46 am  

vastman wrote:

Cheating is a word that has more than one way of being expressed and thus has more than one meaning. You've chosen to make a one-man stand against the popular consensus on this issue, your choice.

However, he cheated the fans by being incompetent. Stop pretending you don't know exactly what I mean.

I do know what you mean. But if people say the ref is a cheat, it isn't the way you describe it.

Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:50 am  

PopTart wrote:

I do know what you mean. But if people say the ref is a cheat, it isn't the way you describe it.

I agree, I don't think hand on heart a ref in my time has cheated in the truest sense of the word, but a fair few have in the way I mean it.

Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:20 pm  

vastman wrote:

I agree, I don't think hand on heart a ref in my time has cheated in the truest sense of the word, but a fair few have in the way I mean it.

There was the Wigan try a few years ago (long before the VR was a thing), i think it was also in the cup, where Ellery Hanley dotted the ball down about a foot short of the line and it was given.
It was in the corner near the Cats bar, there was even a photo in the Express showing the ball, short of the try line.

Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:39 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

There was the Wigan try a few years ago (long before the VR was a thing), i think it was also in the cup, where Ellery Hanley dotted the ball down about a foot short of the line and it was given.
It was in the corner near the Cats bar, there was even a photo in the Express showing the ball, short of the try line.

Ah, wrencat, that one doesnt matter or count though because it was the legend that is Ellery Hanley.........

Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:13 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

There was the Wigan try a few years ago (long before the VR was a thing), i think it was also in the cup, where Ellery Hanley dotted the ball down about a foot short of the line and it was given.
It was in the corner near the Cats bar, there was even a photo in the Express showing the ball, short of the try line.

I think the one you mean was against Bradford Northern and it was Robin Whitfield who was the Ref.

It was a clanger however in a way you can forgive him. He was clearly to far behind the play as was his linesman and didn’t really know either way, so he gave the advantage to the attacking team.

Truth is he had to give a decision as there simply was no recourse in those days to a second opinion.

It is a great example though. Had that happened today he would have gone to the VR and no try would have been given. This is pretty much the same as at Warrington yet for some reason he simply didn’t do the obvious and go to the VR.

Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:18 pm  

Occasionally some go our way!
TJ's second try against Salford looked to come from a pass a yard forward!

Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:26 pm  

Was that the try at Bradford we were stood in that corner and even though he was a good yard short he got up and started jumping up and down We all started laughing but did not find it funny when the ref gave the try

Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:31 pm  

vastman wrote: I think the one you mean was against Bradford Northern and it was Robin Whitfield who was the Ref. It was a clanger however in a way you can forgive him. He was clearly to far behind the play as was his linesman and didn’t really know either way, so he gave the advantage to the attacking team. Truth is he had to give a decision as there simply was no recourse in those days to a second opinion. It is a great example though. Had that happened today he would have gone to the VR and no try would have been given. This is pretty much the same as at Warrington yet for some reason he simply didn’t do the obvious and go to the VR. My grey matter is deteriorating with old age but, pretty certain it was Wakefield v Wigan ? This is the game, 1989/1990 Challenge Cup Quarter Final v Wigan at BV: https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/comp ... mmary.html

vastman wrote: I think the one you mean was against Bradford Northern and it was Robin Whitfield who was the Ref. It was a clanger however in a way you can forgive him. He was clearly to far behind the play as was his linesman and didn’t really know either way, so he gave the advantage to the attacking team. Truth is he had to give a decision as there simply was no recourse in those days to a second opinion. It is a great example though. Had that happened today he would have gone to the VR and no try would have been given. This is pretty much the same as at Warrington yet for some reason he simply didn’t do the obvious and go to the VR. My grey matter is deteriorating with old age but, pretty certain it was Wakefield v Wigan ? This is the game, 1989/1990 Challenge Cup Quarter Final v Wigan at BV: https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/comp ... mmary.html

Re: Wigan in cup : Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:33 pm  

It's not about our game against Wigan ,but free sport have got the HKR v Cas game on live 12 55 think it will be worth a watch