Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:07 pm  

Miro wrote:

But 99.9% don't require a vaccine. Why the fuss and expenditure?
Oh yes, Bill and the shareholders.

Apologies, I don't have the time to go around looking to see if there are any more up to date statistics, when you look at WHO reports of Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of a large sample = Deaths / Cases = 23,430 / 1,694,781 = 1.4%.

Mortality rates rise dramatically in those over 70 years of age.

I imagine, like the Flu Vaccination, that the NHS would probably look to push a vaccine on anyone over the age of 70 or classed clinically vulnerable? If you look at those in the UK alone that would probably equate to circa around 10 million people?

Just wondering why you think that a vaccine would only be needed to 0.01% of the population?

A successful vaccine will save millions of life`s of that I have no doubt, I have no doubt a vaccine could have potentially saved the life of a very good friend of mine that sadly passed away last Thursday from COVID-19, apart from struggling with COPD lived a quality life and was 58 years old, to downplay that just to suit your pathetic agenda is quite frankly ridiculous and disrespectful. Even if it was 0.01% that required a vaccine (Which is simply not true) I am sure many posters on here would have close friends or relatives that would require a vaccine.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:20 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

Apologies, I don't have the time to go around looking to see if there are any more up to date statistics, when you look at WHO reports of Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of a large sample = Deaths / Cases = 23,430 / 1,694,781 = 1.4%.

Mortality rates rise dramatically in those over 70 years of age.

I imagine, like the Flu Vaccination, that the NHS would probably look to push a vaccine on anyone over the age of 70 or classed clinically vulnerable? If you look at those in the UK alone that would probably equate to circa around 10 million people?

Just wondering why you think that a vaccine would only be needed to 0.01% of the population?

A successful vaccine will save millions of life`s of that I have no doubt, I have no doubt a vaccine could have potentially saved the life of a very good friend of mine that sadly passed away last Thursday from COVID-19, apart from struggling with COPD lived a quality life and was 58 years old, to downplay that just to suit your pathetic agenda is quite frankly ridiculous and disrespectful. Even if it was 0.01% that required a vaccine (Which is simply not true) I am sure many posters on here would have close friends or relatives that would require a vaccine.

.1% not .01% the figure you wrongly ascribe to me.
You are aware too that death by, from, with "covid" figures are hugely controversial

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:24 pm  

To provide some context behind the Flu argument;

Between 1 January and 31 August 2020, 52,327 deaths in England and Wales involved COVID-19. Out of these, 48,168 deaths were due to COVID-19: that is, COVID-19 was the underlying cause. This was 12.4% of all deaths for the period (389,835 deaths).

In the same period 69,781 deaths involved pneumonia and 506 deaths involved influenza: out of these, 13,619 and 394 deaths were due to pneumonia and influenza respectively (3.5% and 0.1% of all deaths).

Deaths related to pneumonia and influenza every year from 2014 up until 2019 range from 25,419 to 29,847 - The fact that up until August this year we have had 14,013 deaths due to pneumonia and influenza with 5 months of the year left to run and the majority of deaths been in the winter season, I think that tells the story that around the same number of deaths are going to be attributed to the flu? So if they are attributing flu deaths to COVID-19 then there are a hell of a lot more flu cases this year than there have been previously? Or maybe it is just that some posters are completely wrong and not the medical experts?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:32 pm  

Miro wrote:

A covid chat thread with no covid chat? Be a little silly wouldn't it?

What is silly is you banging away to a very localised audience on what you believe to be an international threat of a 'reset' I bet Bill Gates is not an RLFans devotee not even one of his hired underlings, have you let him know your views or is it just us?

Is your banging on, on here having any influence on the situation at all other than appearing to provide you with the Here's Miro Show

Do you believe this forum with your banging on to be the source of recognition should you convince anyone that your constant banging isn't actually banging on and this Forum and Wakefield Fans can take to the great wide world and proclaim Miro have been right all along and wasn't just banging on

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:45 pm  

RickK wrote:

What is silly is you banging away to a very localised audience on what you believe to be an international threat of a 'reset' I bet Bill Gates is not an RLFans devotee not even one of his hired underlings, have you let him know your views or is it just us?

Is your banging on, on here having any influence on the situation at all other than appearing to provide you with the Here's Miro Show

Do you believe this forum with your banging on to be the source of recognition should you convince anyone that your constant banging isn't actually banging on and this Forum and Wakefield Fans can take to the great wide world and proclaim Miro have been right all along and wasn't just banging on

Are you jealous RikK?
Seriously though, why are you here?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:46 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

To provide some context behind the Flu argument;

Between 1 January and 31 August 2020, 52,327 deaths in England and Wales involved COVID-19. Out of these, 48,168 deaths were due to COVID-19: that is, COVID-19 was the underlying cause. This was 12.4% of all deaths for the period (389,835 deaths).

In the same period 69,781 deaths involved pneumonia and 506 deaths involved influenza: out of these, 13,619 and 394 deaths were due to pneumonia and influenza respectively (3.5% and 0.1% of all deaths).

Deaths related to pneumonia and influenza every year from 2014 up until 2019 range from 25,419 to 29,847 - The fact that up until August this year we have had 14,013 deaths due to pneumonia and influenza with 5 months of the year left to run and the majority of deaths been in the winter season, I think that tells the story that around the same number of deaths are going to be attributed to the flu? So if they are attributing flu deaths to COVID-19 then there are a hell of a lot more flu cases this year than there have been previously? Or maybe it is just that some posters are completely wrong and not the medical experts?

To provide even more context.
Flu figures can fluctuate wildly from year to year, decade to decade. The figures can only be put into context when comparing statistics over years, not a few months.
Homme Vaste, Can you give a cast iron guarantee covid is not in actual fact.......flu.

Here is a Guardian headline from Thursday, Jan 2018.

Three times more people dying from flu in UK than last winter.

It continues.....Last week there was a big jump in the number of people hospitalised with the virus and further increases in the numbers being treated in critical care units.

The toll is the highest it has been at this stage of the winter since 2014-15.

Last week 758 people were admitted to hospital as a result of flu, a big rise on the 598 the week before.

These figures are based on a sample of 22 trusts, about one-ninth of the total number and does not represent the full picture of all those admitted to a UK hospital as an emergancy because of flu.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:58 pm  

Oh dear is that an answer

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:59 pm  

Some people really do seem to object to the Gates Foundation providing access to vaccines into third world countries that may not otherwise be able to afford them, thereby saving thousands of lives.

I don't really get it to be honest. Is it envy of his wealth or just pathetic anti-vaxxers causing trouble? I mean people can't seriously want to stop children in Africa and India from getting vaccinations can they?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:05 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

Trouble is, I’m sure I’ve seen it reported that flu deaths are now to be reported as COVID deaths. Therefore, people will never die from the flu virus again. Now, if a COVID vaccine is effective, and COVID virus is eradicated, what the hell are people going to die from in the winter months? I know Mink flu.

Boredom at the minute

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:50 pm  

Miro wrote:

Are you jealous RikK?
Seriously though, why are you here?

A very lame response and what I believe is known as politicians answer i.e. avoiding the question

I still have no idea why you bang on in this backwater, I'm sure Bill Gates nor his underlings frequent this forum.

What makes you believe that you banging on, on here will change what you say is a world reset, has David Icke anointed you and chosen Wakefield to be the place where you lead with even more banging on.

So the question is why don't you try a bigger audience what stops you fear, ridicule, being proved right, being proved wrong. I'm pretty confident the Here's Miro Show is not a game or world changer