Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:04 pm  

48756c6c20 524c4643 wrote:

That is just an absolute lie, there has been an immunity to 'covid' or rather corona viruses and this is coming from the mouths of those who actually back the criminals in UK government.Millions of people don't get flu despite not having vaccines, and we know that vaccines for influenza are pretty much ineffective anyway, even the NHS website has to admit how rubbish they are despite defending them so much and ignoring the huge amount of harm vaccines do in many instances!
You people are anti science ffs!

People die due to their underlying health conditions for the most part, government and aided by ONS have manipulated deaths to show that SARS-COV-2 is a huge killer, when it isn't in anywhere near the numbers given. There's already evidence that tells us that immunity in people was already there!
"Most bizarrely of all, when researchers tested blood samples taken years before the pandemic started, they found T cells which were specifically tailored to detect proteins on the surface of Covid-19. This suggests that some people already had a pre-existing degree of resistance against the virus before it ever infected a human. And it appears to be surprisingly prevalent: 40-60% of unexposed individuals had these cells."

How can it be a lie when you have stated that???
People die from flu if they've had the flu jab or not - and not just those with "pre existing medical conditions."

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:48 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The "muzzles" as you so eloquently describe them are to try and help prevent the spread of the virus, not to control the population.
Who are "they" ?

If you cannot travel on a bus because of no mask then you are controled, your freedom of movement is under control.

I have observed in close up and at a distance the wearing of these filthy (after just ten minutes) masks and from what I see there is no way in this world they are controling the spread of a virus. Quite the opposite in fact. Just to see how people handle the things and handle everything else afterwards, and we are talking multi millions of them, people and masks, it's a joke to say they are helping in any way and it is time the government dropped the insistance of mask wearing anywhere.

But they won't, because like social distancing, this is simply a way to measure your obedience and complience.

If the Masks work - Why the six feet? If the Six Feet works – Why the Masks? If Both work – Why the Lockdown?

To have a mask full of bacteria, germs, viruses, spit, snot, stale expelled air from the lungs all this you breath back into the lungs there should have been a risk assement done not just for the wearing but the constant touching (yes you Mr Chester) the number of masks required per person per day, the safe disposal of millions of them.
I have not seen a risk assesement nor any way of safley disposing of them.
Can you show me one? Maybe I'm mistaken and there is one.

[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:52 pm  

48756c6c20 524c4643 wrote:

That is just an absolute lie, there has been an immunity to 'covid' or rather corona viruses and this is coming from the mouths of those who actually back the criminals in UK government.Millions of people don't get flu despite not having vaccines, and we know that vaccines for influenza are pretty much ineffective anyway, even the NHS website has to admit how rubbish they are despite defending them so much and ignoring the huge amount of harm vaccines do in many instances!
You people are anti science ffs!

People die due to their underlying health conditions for the most part, government and aided by ONS have manipulated deaths to show that SARS-COV-2 is a huge killer, when it isn't in anywhere near the numbers given. There's already evidence that tells us that immunity in people was already there!
"Most bizarrely of all, when researchers tested blood samples taken years before the pandemic started, they found T cells which were specifically tailored to detect proteins on the surface of Covid-19. This suggests that some people already had a pre-existing degree of resistance against the virus before it ever infected a human. And it appears to be surprisingly prevalent: 40-60% of unexposed individuals had these cells."

Just quoting random numbers with no evidence or personal qualifications as an expert is just blah, no matter how viamently you write it.

[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:58 pm  

Miro wrote:

If you cannot travel on a bus because of no mask then you are controled, your freedom of movement is under control.
.

Correct

Same as.....
You can't drive without a seat belt
You can't ride a bike without a helmet
You can't drive over the speed limit
You can't drive while drunk or drugged
You can't ride a train without booking a ticket
I'm pretty sure you can't travel naked either but not sure about that one

How dare they control us in this way! Pretending to do it for our safety when they just want to restrict our movemt.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:13 am  

Non of those measures are inhuman. Life devoid of facial expresions is inhuman and if anyone cannot see that then I fear they are bordering on the sociopathic.
We need to see smiles, frowns, anger, sadness, laughter and the rest. What is it they say? A smile is worth a thousand words (or maybe I just made that up) or "smile, and the whole world smiles with you." Or is that laugh? same thing
Yes, it may only be a limited amount of places (at the moment) but that's bad enough and so many people now so scared thanks to the media, that they wear them everywhere.
Soppy stuff maybe but that's humanity in a nutshell.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:27 am  

PopTart wrote:

Just quoting random numbers with no evidence or personal qualifications as an expert is just blah, no matter how viamently you write it.

How is it Pop Tart that you only pull posters up for this when they oppose your views but not those posters who support your views?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:42 am  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

Trouble is, I’m sure I’ve seen it reported that flu deaths are now to be reported as COVID deaths. Therefore, people will never die from the flu virus again. Now, if a COVID vaccine is effective, and COVID virus is eradicated, what the hell are people going to die from in the winter months? I know Mink flu.

Mink flu, ah! I get it now.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:51 am  

Here's a thought.

A virus that has a recovery rate between 94% and 99.97% (depending on age) and most of it's cases are asymptomatic*...It Would be easy to make a vaccine with 90% effectiveness because your immune system is already 90% resistant to CV19... So, that means I can mix some water and sugar at home and i just made a vaccine 90% effective against CV19... So, the real question is, what's in the 10% of the vaccine that's not effective against CV19

OR

The vaccine is 90% effective for a virus that 99% recover from lol. The immune system beats the vaccine, as usual.

Disclaimer, I am not an anti-vaccer, but I will be anti this one.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:45 am  

Miro wrote: Here's a thought. A virus that has a recovery rate between 94% and 99.97% (depending on age) and most of it's cases are asymptomatic*...It Would be easy to make a vaccine with 90% effectiveness because your immune system is already 90% resistant to CV19... So, that means I can mix some water and sugar at home and i just made a vaccine 90% effective against CV19... So, the real question is, what's in the 10% of the vaccine that's not effective against CV19 OR The vaccine is 90% effective for a virus that 99% recover from lol. The immune system beats the vaccine, as usual. Disclaimer, I am not an anti-vaccer, but I will be anti this one. The full results are not published yet, but the 90% refers to the 43,000 people who took part in the trial, 94 infections have been detected to far and over 90% of those are in the placebo group. The trial is ongoing and needs a total of 164 infections before the data are valid. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart ... e-ongoing/

Miro wrote: Here's a thought. A virus that has a recovery rate between 94% and 99.97% (depending on age) and most of it's cases are asymptomatic*...It Would be easy to make a vaccine with 90% effectiveness because your immune system is already 90% resistant to CV19... So, that means I can mix some water and sugar at home and i just made a vaccine 90% effective against CV19... So, the real question is, what's in the 10% of the vaccine that's not effective against CV19 OR The vaccine is 90% effective for a virus that 99% recover from lol. The immune system beats the vaccine, as usual. Disclaimer, I am not an anti-vaccer, but I will be anti this one. The full results are not published yet, but the 90% refers to the 43,000 people who took part in the trial, 94 infections have been detected to far and over 90% of those are in the placebo group. The trial is ongoing and needs a total of 164 infections before the data are valid. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart ... e-ongoing/

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:03 am  

coco the fullback wrote: The full results are not published yet, but the 90% refers to the 43,000 people who took part in the trial, 94 infections have been detected to far and over 90% of those are in the placebo group. The trial is ongoing and needs a total of 164 infections before the data are valid. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart ... e-ongoing/ Really? Then what does this mean? From your link. No mention of the 43,000 “with early data from their promising vaccine candidate showing that it could be 90% effective at preventing the disease with no serious safety concerns observed. “ with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration signalling that it would accept a Covid-19 vaccine effective in only half of those vaccinated. The positive results mean the companies are likely on track to meet their mid-November goal of filing for emergency regulatory approval in the U.S., I can't see anywhere in that article where it points to the 90% infections only in the placebo group. I believe the November vaccine (yet to be peer reviewed) cannot be considered safe due to no data at all for the long term affects the vaccine may have on the human immune system. see below. As quoted by the CDC “These stages are mandated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), with its Centre for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) division officially in charge of regulating vaccines. It’s not unusual for a vaccine to take 10 to 15 years to complete all the phases under normal circumstances. Yet this vaccine is being rushed through in a matter of months, not even a year. Considering A virus that has a recovery rate between 94% and 99.97% (depending on age) and most of it's cases are asymptomatic why the rush for a vaccine? Furthermore, a rushed vaccine that isn’t properly tested could ultimately prove to be just as dangerous as the virus. That's according to: https://www.reference.com/science/how-l ... op-vaccine

coco the fullback wrote: The full results are not published yet, but the 90% refers to the 43,000 people who took part in the trial, 94 infections have been detected to far and over 90% of those are in the placebo group. The trial is ongoing and needs a total of 164 infections before the data are valid. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart ... e-ongoing/ Really? Then what does this mean? From your link. No mention of the 43,000 “with early data from their promising vaccine candidate showing that it could be 90% effective at preventing the disease with no serious safety concerns observed. “ with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration signalling that it would accept a Covid-19 vaccine effective in only half of those vaccinated. The positive results mean the companies are likely on track to meet their mid-November goal of filing for emergency regulatory approval in the U.S., I can't see anywhere in that article where it points to the 90% infections only in the placebo group. I believe the November vaccine (yet to be peer reviewed) cannot be considered safe due to no data at all for the long term affects the vaccine may have on the human immune system. see below. As quoted by the CDC “These stages are mandated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), with its Centre for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) division officially in charge of regulating vaccines. It’s not unusual for a vaccine to take 10 to 15 years to complete all the phases under normal circumstances. Yet this vaccine is being rushed through in a matter of months, not even a year. Considering A virus that has a recovery rate between 94% and 99.97% (depending on age) and most of it's cases are asymptomatic why the rush for a vaccine? Furthermore, a rushed vaccine that isn’t properly tested could ultimately prove to be just as dangerous as the virus. That's according to: https://www.reference.com/science/how-l ... op-vaccine