Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:17 am  

Miro wrote: [/color] Yes I looked at your link Coco, https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020 ... s-pan.html So, now Former Chief Scientific Advisor with Pfizer Dr Mike Yeadon is also a spreader of fake news, sorry, hoaxer? I mean, who can you trust nowadays, the present Chief Scientific Advisor with Pfizer ? Then I came to this: These predictions, or statements, are untrue, according to scientists and medical experts already bracing for a second wave. Lead Stories reached out to Johns Hopkins University coronavirus experts A Bill Gates funded university. Someone set to make billions from the vaccine. I mean, hardly likely to endorse the former head of Pfzer are they? Do you have any evidence disputing Former Chief Scientific Advisor with Pfizer Dr Mike Yeadon from an organization that does not have a conflict of interest? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 50133.html I don't know why I'm doing this. You quoted the claim, you provide the evidence it's true. It's not my job to prove your spurious assertions to be false. Have you provided any evidence about false positives?

Miro wrote: [/color] Yes I looked at your link Coco, https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020 ... s-pan.html So, now Former Chief Scientific Advisor with Pfizer Dr Mike Yeadon is also a spreader of fake news, sorry, hoaxer? I mean, who can you trust nowadays, the present Chief Scientific Advisor with Pfizer ? Then I came to this: These predictions, or statements, are untrue, according to scientists and medical experts already bracing for a second wave. Lead Stories reached out to Johns Hopkins University coronavirus experts A Bill Gates funded university. Someone set to make billions from the vaccine. I mean, hardly likely to endorse the former head of Pfzer are they? Do you have any evidence disputing Former Chief Scientific Advisor with Pfizer Dr Mike Yeadon from an organization that does not have a conflict of interest? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 50133.html I don't know why I'm doing this. You quoted the claim, you provide the evidence it's true. It's not my job to prove your spurious assertions to be false. Have you provided any evidence about false positives?

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:23 am  

Miro wrote:

Non of those measures are inhuman. Life devoid of facial expresions is inhuman and if anyone cannot see that then I fear they are bordering on the sociopathic.
We need to see smiles, frowns, anger, sadness, laughter and the rest. What is it they say? A smile is worth a thousand words (or maybe I just made that up) or "smile, and the whole world smiles with you."
Yes, it may only be a limited amount of places (at the moment) but that's bad enough and so many people now so scared thanks to the media, that they wear them everywhere.
Soppy stuff maybe but that's humanity in a nutshell.

A bike helmet covers more of your face than a mask.
And I can tell someone's feelings while they have a mask on. It's not hard.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:25 am  

Miro wrote:

Non of those measures are inhuman. Life devoid of facial expresions is inhuman and if anyone cannot see that then I fear they are bordering on the sociopathic.
We need to see smiles, frowns, anger, sadness, laughter and the rest. What is it they say? A smile is worth a thousand words (or maybe I just made that up) or "smile, and the whole world smiles with you." Or is that laugh? same thing
Yes, it may only be a limited amount of places (at the moment) but that's bad enough and so many people now so scared thanks to the media, that they wear them everywhere.
Soppy stuff maybe but that's humanity in a nutshell.

Weren't you getting upset about name calling earlier?
Seems you pick and choose your logic, inhuman definition and names that upset you depending on whether it affects your point.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:35 am  

Miro wrote: Really? Then what does this mean? From your link. No mention of the 43,000 “with early data from their promising vaccine candidate showing that it could be 90% effective at preventing the disease with no serious safety concerns observed. “ with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration signalling that it would accept a Covid-19 vaccine effective in only half of those vaccinated.  The positive results mean the companies are likely on track to meet their mid-November goal of filing for emergency regulatory approval in the U.S., I can't see anywhere in that article where it points to the 90% infections only in the placebo group. I believe the November vaccine yet to be peer reviewed cannot be considered safe due to no data at all for the long term affects the vaccine may have on the human immune system. see below. As quoted by the CDC “These stages are mandated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), with its Centre for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) division officially in charge of regulating vaccines. It’s not unusual for a vaccine to take 10 to 15 years to complete all the phases under normal circumstances. Yet this vaccine is being rushed through in a matter of months, not even a year. Considering A virus that has a recovery rate between 94% and 99.97% (depending on age) and most of it's cases are asymptomatic why the rush for a vaccine? Furthermore, a rushed vaccine that isn’t properly tested could ultimately prove to be just as dangerous as the virus. That's according to: https://www.reference.com/science/how-l ... op-vaccine From the link: KEY FACTS The positive results mean the companies are likely on track to meet their mid-November goal of filing for emergency regulatory approval in the U.S., which CEO Albert Bourla announced a month ago. The findings come from a preliminary analysis — undertaken by an independent data monitoring board — of a study that has enrolled over 43,000 people to test the two-dose Covid-19 vaccine. The early results, which may change as the trial continues, are far better than many had expected, with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration signalling that it would accept a Covid-19 vaccine effective in only half of those vaccinated. The study will continue until 164 infections have been recorded, the company said, with 94 infections reported to date. Ugur Sahin, co-founder and CEO of BioNTech, said the findings are “a victory for innovation, science and a global collaborative effort.” With the trial ongoing, these findings have not yet been peer reviewed or opened up for scrutiny, with Pfizer saying it intends to do so once the entire trial has finished. What else do you think "90% effective" means in the context of the trial? https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/ ... tion6.html How does someone with no symptoms recover? recover from what?

Miro wrote: Really? Then what does this mean? From your link. No mention of the 43,000 “with early data from their promising vaccine candidate showing that it could be 90% effective at preventing the disease with no serious safety concerns observed. “ with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration signalling that it would accept a Covid-19 vaccine effective in only half of those vaccinated.  The positive results mean the companies are likely on track to meet their mid-November goal of filing for emergency regulatory approval in the U.S., I can't see anywhere in that article where it points to the 90% infections only in the placebo group. I believe the November vaccine yet to be peer reviewed cannot be considered safe due to no data at all for the long term affects the vaccine may have on the human immune system. see below. As quoted by the CDC “These stages are mandated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), with its Centre for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) division officially in charge of regulating vaccines. It’s not unusual for a vaccine to take 10 to 15 years to complete all the phases under normal circumstances. Yet this vaccine is being rushed through in a matter of months, not even a year. Considering A virus that has a recovery rate between 94% and 99.97% (depending on age) and most of it's cases are asymptomatic why the rush for a vaccine? Furthermore, a rushed vaccine that isn’t properly tested could ultimately prove to be just as dangerous as the virus. That's according to: https://www.reference.com/science/how-l ... op-vaccine From the link: KEY FACTS The positive results mean the companies are likely on track to meet their mid-November goal of filing for emergency regulatory approval in the U.S., which CEO Albert Bourla announced a month ago. The findings come from a preliminary analysis — undertaken by an independent data monitoring board — of a study that has enrolled over 43,000 people to test the two-dose Covid-19 vaccine. The early results, which may change as the trial continues, are far better than many had expected, with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration signalling that it would accept a Covid-19 vaccine effective in only half of those vaccinated. The study will continue until 164 infections have been recorded, the company said, with 94 infections reported to date. Ugur Sahin, co-founder and CEO of BioNTech, said the findings are “a victory for innovation, science and a global collaborative effort.” With the trial ongoing, these findings have not yet been peer reviewed or opened up for scrutiny, with Pfizer saying it intends to do so once the entire trial has finished. What else do you think "90% effective" means in the context of the trial? https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/ ... tion6.html How does someone with no symptoms recover? recover from what?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:17 am  

Miro wrote:

Wrencat was asking about "mass control of the population", you were talking about traveling abroad. My apologies.

Wrencat (me) was being ironic, didn't you notice.

I find it unbelievable for ANY person to believe that, a vaccine for covid is any more or less controlling that a vaccine for flu, MMR (or the 3 single vaccines), TB or any other mass inoculation.

I find it utterly ridiculous that gullible people are so easily taken in by the overthought ramblings of a few individuals on t'internet.

Questions do need to be asked and answers found for where the virus came from but, beyond that, it's both sad and hilarious (in equal measure) that ANYONE can believe that EVERY government has been taken in by some unknown new world order, as opposed to them trying to protect the population of the planet.

At least it's helped keep us occupied whilst in lockdown

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:23 am  

coco the fullback wrote: From the link: What else do you think "90% effective" means in the context of the trial? https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/ ... tion6.html How does someone with no symptoms recover? recover from what? Ok, no need to shout. My bad, it does mention 43,000 further down the page but not reffered to in the main, stand alone quote. " it could be 90% effective at preventing the disease with no serious safety concerns observed. " By the way, where does it quote the 90% nfections in the placebo group? You ask How does someone with no symptoms recover? I suppose it depends what you call "symptoms" Sometimes I feel I'm coming down with something, a cold for instance. Just a feeling initially my immune system kinda telling me to "watch out" I guess. But the actual symptoms, sore through, headache, runny nose etc. never actually appear because my immune system has kicked in preumably. I guess that's what it may mean?

coco the fullback wrote: From the link: What else do you think "90% effective" means in the context of the trial? https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/ ... tion6.html How does someone with no symptoms recover? recover from what? Ok, no need to shout. My bad, it does mention 43,000 further down the page but not reffered to in the main, stand alone quote. " it could be 90% effective at preventing the disease with no serious safety concerns observed. " By the way, where does it quote the 90% nfections in the placebo group? You ask How does someone with no symptoms recover? I suppose it depends what you call "symptoms" Sometimes I feel I'm coming down with something, a cold for instance. Just a feeling initially my immune system kinda telling me to "watch out" I guess. But the actual symptoms, sore through, headache, runny nose etc. never actually appear because my immune system has kicked in preumably. I guess that's what it may mean?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:31 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Wrencat (me) was being ironic, didn't you notice.

I find it unbelievable for ANY person to believe that, a vaccine for covid is any more or less controlling that a vaccine for flu, MMR (or the 3 single vaccines), TB or any other mass inoculation.

I find it utterly ridiculous that gullible people are so easily taken in by the overthought ramblings of a few individuals on t'internet.

Questions do need to be asked and answers found for where the virus came from but, beyond that, it's both sad and hilarious (in equal measure) that ANYONE can believe that EVERY government has been taken in by some unknown new world order, as opposed to them trying to protect the population of the planet.

At least it's helped keep us occupied whilst in lockdown

And maybe I was being facetious

Look, I have explained many times how I can believe governments all over this globalised interlocking world can march to the same tune. Yet whenever I do you fail to come up with a counter argument. Yet every dozen or so posts you ask the same question....

" that ANYONE can believe that EVERY government has been taken in by some unknown new world order!

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:34 am  

Miro wrote:

And maybe I was being facetious

Look, I have explained many times how I can believe governments all over this globalised interlocking world can march to the same tune. Yet whenever I do you fail to come up with a counter argument. Yet every dozen or so posts you ask the same question....

" that ANYONE can believe that EVERY government has been taken in by some unknown new world order!

The counter argument is simple for even you to understand
There are currently governments and ruling bodies right accross the political spectrum, with substantially different motives and beliefs, ALL following roughly the same path to TRY and protect "their people".

I'm sorry that it doesn't fit your narrative but, your crackpot theory has NEVER happened in the 1000's of years of humans roaming the earth.
Yes, different groups have tried to take over another country and have hoped to rule ever larger parts of the world, some with religious beliefs, others with their own ideology,
However, your reason for believing that a new world order seems to be based on an annual event that happened to discuss the possibility of a global pandemic - hardly surprising given smaller less virulent outbreaks over the past century and "talk" of a global reset, which again, YOU have taken literally.

Sorry bud, but, it just isn't happening, although there is a pandemic which needs tackling.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:43 am  

Miro wrote:

And maybe I was being facetious

Look, I have explained many times how I can believe governments all over this globalised interlocking world can march to the same tune. Yet whenever I do you fail to come up with a counter argument. Yet every dozen or so posts you ask the same question....

" that ANYONE can believe that EVERY government has been taken in by some unknown new world order!

There is no counter argument apart from there being no evidence of it in the history of time.
If you'd said one particular country or group were trying to take over the world then although it's unlikely to succeed it has been tried before many times so perfectly feasible. I would then be interested to look at your evidence.
But saying all the governments are conspiring together is just so fanciful there isn't even a science fiction version of that story.

So you are welcome to believe it, but that is why some people are putting you in the David Icke category as he had equally unfeasible ideas with no evidence. I'm not saying you are the same or that you have said the same as him before you write a page in false outrage. I'm just explaining why people raise the subject when you try to discuss that topic.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:57 am  

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There is no counter argument apart from there being no evidence of it in the history of time.
If you'd said one particular country or group were trying to take over the world then although it's unlikely to succeed it has been tried before many times so perfectly feasible. I would then be interested to look at your evidence.
But saying all the governments are conspiring together is just so fanciful there isn't even a science fiction version of that story.

So you are welcome to believe it, but that is why some people are putting you in the David Icke category as he had equally unfeasible ideas with no evidence. I'm not saying you are the same or that you have said the same as him before you write a page in false outrage. I'm just explaining why people raise the subject when you try to discuss that topic.

Wow. I just clicked on David Icke's web page. There are quite a few references on there that are similar to yours Miro. I'm getting a bit worried for you now.