Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:13 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Wow. I just clicked on David Icke's web page. There are quite a few references on there that are similar to yours Miro. I'm getting a bit worried for you now.

Here we go, that old guilty by association trick, pathetic Pop Tart. C'mon pal, raise your game.

I do not read David Icke. Maybe you can tell everyone what he is saying and why he is wrong. Why worried? Do tell.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:27 pm  

Miro wrote:

I do not read David Icke.

I bet you do.
You've put up links to all sorts of folk and for you not to have read up on one of the fore fathers on wacky theories would seem just a little bit strange, even if it were just to rule out some of his "ideas".
Your ideology does seem remarkably similar though, maybe it's just another coincidence

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:41 pm  

PopTart wrote:

There is no counter argument apart from there being no evidence of it in the history of time.
If you'd said one particular country or group were trying to take over the world then although it's unlikely to succeed it has been tried before many times so perfectly feasible. I would then be interested to look at your evidence.
But saying all the governments are conspiring together is just so fanciful there isn't even a science fiction version of that story.

So you are welcome to believe it, but that is why some people are putting you in the David Icke category as he had equally unfeasible ideas with no evidence. I'm not saying you are the same or that you have said the same as him before you write a page in false outrage. I'm just explaining why people raise the subject when you try to discuss that topic.

There is no counter argument apart from there being no evidence of it in the history of time.

I see, if it's not in history it can't happen. Wonderful logic there Pop Tart.

If you'd said one particular country or group were trying to take over the world then although it's unlikely to succeed it has been tried before many times so perfectly feasible. I would then be interested to look at your evidence.

Hmm!, I'm just a teeny bit suspicious of this lot.... The USA....800 military bases around the world. Umpteen invasions, constantly at war, sanctions everywhere. CIA plots everywhere, especially South America. Corporations with more economic clout than the many countries they rape and pillage, sorry, operate in. A good book to read..”Confessions of an economic hit man.” No, it's not a comedy. .Need I go on?


But saying all the governments are conspiring together is just so fanciful there isn't even a science fiction version of that story.

]I don't read science fiction and it's years since I read Aldous Huxley's “Brave New World” or even Orwells “1984”.

So you are welcome to believe it, but that is why some people are putting you in the David Icke category as he had equally unfeasible ideas with no evidence. I'm not saying you are the same or that you have said the same as him before you write a page in false outrage. I'm just explaining why people raise the subject when you try to discuss that topic.

How do you know Icke has “no evidence,” where is yours to make that statement? You seem to be lecturing others over “lack of evidence.

It seems to me Icke is used as a stick to beat people with but when challenged it appears no one has the slightest knowledge of him, just a perceived third hand view or a ten second gander of a web page.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:02 pm  

Let me just try an analogy here. To try and discount Pop Tart and wrencats CONSPIRACY THEORY about David Icke and I.

Pop Tart and wrencat and I go the the cup final, not together mind. We leave at the end and go our separate ways.

We all three go onto the forum and recount, almost word for word, a summary of what happened there.

What possible explanation can there be for that?

Is it:
a) We have all three collaborated together to come up with the same tale. NO!

b) It's purely coincidental. NO!

c) We all read each others post before posting ours. NO!

d) It's the truth as we all saw it. BINGO !!!!!!

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:27 pm  

Miro wrote:

Let me just try an analogy here. To try and discount Pop Tart and wrencats CONSPIRACY THEORY about David Icke and I.

Pop Tart and wrencat and I go the the cup final, not together mind. We leave at the end and go our separate ways.

We all three go onto the forum and recount, almost word for word, a summary of what happened there.

What possible explanation can there be for that?

Is it:
a) We have all three collaborated together to come up with the same tale. NO!

b) It's purely coincidental. NO!

c) We all read each others post before posting ours. NO!

d) It's the truth as we all saw it. BINGO !!!!!!

Or, the flipside

Miro, so desperate to "prove" his ideas, reads up on anything and everything to try and find "evidence" to back up his "unusual" ideas. Yet, strangely ignores one of the most obvious "sources".

Using your analogy, it's like being at Wembley and missing every try in a 16 try thriller. Possible but, very unlikely

[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:55 pm  

Miro wrote:

Here we go, that old guilty by association trick, pathetic Pop Tart. C'mon pal, raise your game.

I do not read David Icke. Maybe you can tell everyone what he is saying and why he is wrong. Why worried? Do tell.

Again, I didn't say you have any association with him. I just pointed out why people link you too him as he plugs similarly unfeasible conspiracy theories as you.
He talks about One World Order, Talks about how lockdown is all about taking our freedom not for our safety, quotes the nurse you quoted.
You don't have to be so outraged about it. I'm just using it as a way of explaining how people see you based on your posts. You are free to be how you want to be.

I don't think I need to explain why David Icke is wrong. I think that is pretty clear but I have no problem with you or anyone else believing what you want.
Not as keen when you preach it to everyone else though.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:42 am  

PopTart wrote: Again, I didn't say you have any association with him. I just pointed out why people link you too him as he plugs similarly unfeasible conspiracy theories as you. He talks about One World Order, Talks about how lockdown is all about taking our freedom not for our safety, quotes the nurse you quoted. You don't have to be so outraged about it. I'm just using it as a way of explaining how people see you based on your posts. You are free to be how you want to be. I don't think I need to explain why David Icke is wrong. I think that is pretty clear but I have no problem with you or anyone else believing what you want. Not as keen when you preach it to everyone else though. One day Pop Tart I shall go back through my posts to find those that challenge you to refute my “theories” as you call them. I can count on both hands the number of times you “go to ground” as I call it then re-appear a week later hoping it's all forgotten. I believe you mean “New World Order” because I have never used the term “one world order” Why don't you do some research and find out where the term “New World Order” has been used. Or originated even. I shall do it for you just to prove neither I nor Icke made it up. https://www.diis.dk/en/research/what-is-world-order Thirty years ago, a new world order was announced. After the Cold War the world would be a peaceful place and conflicts would be solved multilaterally. In the West it was expected that the only superpower and ‘leader of the free world’, the US, would indeed lead the fulfilment of the new world order. https://opinionrepublic.wordpress.com/2 ... ome-of-it/ The phrase ‘new world order’ traces back at least as far as 1940, when author H.G. Wells used it as the title of a book about a socialist, unified, one-world government. The phrase has also been linked to American presidents, including Woodrow Wilson, whose work on establishing the League of Nations pioneered the concept of international government bodies, and to the first President Bush, who used it in a 1989 speech. Has the “lockdown” taken away our freedoms? Yes it has. Now you either believe it's to take our freedoms away or it's for our safety. There is a 50 50 chance Icke and I will agree. No shock there then. He quotes a nurse I quoted but then so did the Daily Mail, Talk Radio and a host of other media outlets. Apart from the usual half dozen posters on here, including two “snipers”who contribute absolutely zero who are these “people” you mention who compare me to Icke, and does it matter? Not at all.

PopTart wrote: Again, I didn't say you have any association with him. I just pointed out why people link you too him as he plugs similarly unfeasible conspiracy theories as you. He talks about One World Order, Talks about how lockdown is all about taking our freedom not for our safety, quotes the nurse you quoted. You don't have to be so outraged about it. I'm just using it as a way of explaining how people see you based on your posts. You are free to be how you want to be. I don't think I need to explain why David Icke is wrong. I think that is pretty clear but I have no problem with you or anyone else believing what you want. Not as keen when you preach it to everyone else though. One day Pop Tart I shall go back through my posts to find those that challenge you to refute my “theories” as you call them. I can count on both hands the number of times you “go to ground” as I call it then re-appear a week later hoping it's all forgotten. I believe you mean “New World Order” because I have never used the term “one world order” Why don't you do some research and find out where the term “New World Order” has been used. Or originated even. I shall do it for you just to prove neither I nor Icke made it up. https://www.diis.dk/en/research/what-is-world-order Thirty years ago, a new world order was announced. After the Cold War the world would be a peaceful place and conflicts would be solved multilaterally. In the West it was expected that the only superpower and ‘leader of the free world’, the US, would indeed lead the fulfilment of the new world order. https://opinionrepublic.wordpress.com/2 ... ome-of-it/ The phrase ‘new world order’ traces back at least as far as 1940, when author H.G. Wells used it as the title of a book about a socialist, unified, one-world government. The phrase has also been linked to American presidents, including Woodrow Wilson, whose work on establishing the League of Nations pioneered the concept of international government bodies, and to the first President Bush, who used it in a 1989 speech. Has the “lockdown” taken away our freedoms? Yes it has. Now you either believe it's to take our freedoms away or it's for our safety. There is a 50 50 chance Icke and I will agree. No shock there then. He quotes a nurse I quoted but then so did the Daily Mail, Talk Radio and a host of other media outlets. Apart from the usual half dozen posters on here, including two “snipers”who contribute absolutely zero who are these “people” you mention who compare me to Icke, and does it matter? Not at all.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:17 am  

Here are a few of Pop Tarts and wrencats ramblings against those, including me, they disagree with.
Actually, their posts are so simmilar and timed to appear together I'm not so sure they are both one and the same poster.
Hows that for a conspiracy theory/

unfeasible conspiracy theories
unfeasible ideas with no evidence.
fore fathers on wacky theories
overthought ramblings of a few individuals on t'internet.
crackpot theory
"unusual" ideas

A challenge then. Other than just repeating Boris's podium speeches. Can they present proof to back up their claims.
Can they back up their claims with hard facts. That should be oh so easy, After all, they appear so sure of themselves.
Lets face it, anyone can come out with baseless insulting remarks, but to back them up? I doubt it.
Should they do so then this poster will pack up his keyboard and do one.
If they cannot then they are no more credible than anyone else on the internet.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:01 am  

Miro wrote: Here are a few of Pop Tarts and wrencats ramblings against those, including me, they disagree with. Actually, their posts are so simmilar and timed to appear together I'm not so sure they are both one and the same poster. Hows that for a conspiracy theory/ unfeasible conspiracy theories unfeasible ideas with no evidence. fore fathers on wacky theories overthought ramblings of a few individuals on t'internet. crackpot theory "unusual" ideas A challenge then. Other than just repeating Boris's podium speeches. Can they present proof to back up their claims. Can they back up their claims with hard facts. That should be oh so easy, After all, they appear so sure of themselves. Lets face it, anyone can come out with baseless insulting remarks, but to back them up? I doubt it. Should they do so then this poster will pack up his keyboard and do one. If they cannot then they are no more credible than anyone else on the internet. Once again, they are not making any claims, you are. They are refuting the claims you make because you repeatedly fail to provide any credible evidence (or any evidence at all) for them. Quoting what someone posts on the internet is not evidence. You are free to believe anything you wish, but claims/assertions without evidence can simply be dismissed. It is not possible to prove your claims not to be true, other than to show that there is no credible evidence to back them up. Oh, by the way, did you know that Donald Trump is a reptilian shape-shifter Here's the 'evidence' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuDTidbziZI or maybe he's a space alien? more 'evidence' https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ufo-aler ... _b_9471748

Miro wrote: Here are a few of Pop Tarts and wrencats ramblings against those, including me, they disagree with. Actually, their posts are so simmilar and timed to appear together I'm not so sure they are both one and the same poster. Hows that for a conspiracy theory/ unfeasible conspiracy theories unfeasible ideas with no evidence. fore fathers on wacky theories overthought ramblings of a few individuals on t'internet. crackpot theory "unusual" ideas A challenge then. Other than just repeating Boris's podium speeches. Can they present proof to back up their claims. Can they back up their claims with hard facts. That should be oh so easy, After all, they appear so sure of themselves. Lets face it, anyone can come out with baseless insulting remarks, but to back them up? I doubt it. Should they do so then this poster will pack up his keyboard and do one. If they cannot then they are no more credible than anyone else on the internet. Once again, they are not making any claims, you are. They are refuting the claims you make because you repeatedly fail to provide any credible evidence (or any evidence at all) for them. Quoting what someone posts on the internet is not evidence. You are free to believe anything you wish, but claims/assertions without evidence can simply be dismissed. It is not possible to prove your claims not to be true, other than to show that there is no credible evidence to back them up. Oh, by the way, did you know that Donald Trump is a reptilian shape-shifter Here's the 'evidence' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuDTidbziZI or maybe he's a space alien? more 'evidence' https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ufo-aler ... _b_9471748

[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:08 am  

You can't prove the absence of something.
You can only prove something is there or theorise it isn't through lack of evidence.