: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:24 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

the rfl set the coaching standards. at the moment there is new badges to work for you do a paper on rules a coaching session for maybe 15 mins and some book work. the level 2 now is more health and safety than coaching, bottles in a square, post protectors on ambuance access, first aid kits. these are supposed to be filled out before sessions. very few unless theyre completely hopless will fail a badge. many coaches in the junior game take a team on reluctanly as a parent as there is no one else and they do this to keep the teams afloat. they need help, they need to be looked at when theyve done there badge and guided along. the top badge to coach at sl and pro is supposed to be absolutly stupid, with 12 modules many none game related and at a cost of nearly a thousand pounds yes a grand.

I was put in a situation where are coach at eastmoor who was going for the course left, as a parent 4 of us took over 1 with a coaching badge that couldn't make it all the time and three of us that kept it going,
its far from easy to even look after the kids never mind teach them to play rugby.

I bow my hat to all that take the course and go on to help the young ones

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:40 pm  

snowie wrote:

I was put in a situation where are coach at eastmoor who was going for the course left, as a parent 4 of us took over 1 with a coaching badge that couldn't make it all the time and three of us that kept it going,
its far from easy to even look after the kids never mind teach them to play rugby.

I bow my hat to all that take the course and go on to help the young ones

totally agree with that

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:41 pm  

snowie wrote:

I was put in a situation where are coach at eastmoor who was going for the course left, as a parent 4 of us took over 1 with a coaching badge that couldn't make it all the time and three of us that kept it going,
its far from easy to even look after the kids never mind teach them to play rugby.

I bow my hat to all that take the course and go on to help the young ones

you see snowie this is where things go wrong, most teams have good players till they get to say 11 then the ones who are coached better push beyond them, now through no fault of their own parents and some coaches dont know how to take kids to the next level. this is why they need help through the year. ive seen coaches at under 8s tell lads to run for the wing as they had more pace than anyone else but when they still tell them to do it at 11 and they cant its all over for most of the kids. get them to run hard and tackle hard and it sets them up for the future.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:53 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

you see snowie this is where things go wrong, most teams have good players till they get to say 11 then the ones who are coached better push beyond them, now through no fault of their own parents and some coaches dont know how to take kids to the next level. this is why they need help through the year. ive seen coaches at under 8s tell lads to run for the wing as they had more pace than anyone else but when they still tell them to do it at 11 and they cant its all over for most of the kids. get them to run hard and tackle hard and it sets them up for the future.

My lads head is down as at the mo as he's taken the brunt of what I think is absolute crap coaching and from a ex pro, don't get me wrong he knows is stuff but hes playing them like pro's,
firstly the kids have to enjoy the game or they will just drift away from the game, but you have to forgive the mistakes and miss timed runs they are only kids

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:56 pm  

mutley cat wrote:

totally agree with that

I wish I was ten years younger, I would of put my heart into helping the kids now as I see a future for the game that I hadn't seen before until our lewis played

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:58 pm  

snowie wrote:

I wish I was ten years younger, I would of put my heart into helping the kids now as I see a future for the game that I hadn't seen before until our lewis played

see your p.m. interested on your thoughts if not i will ask wider in the Wakefield area.

: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:02 am  

jonh wrote:

see your p.m. interested on your thoughts if not i will ask wider in the Wakefield area.

got it

: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:52 am  

My take on it is this.

So far the recruits from league have been expensive mistakes. Only Jason Robinson could be regarded as a success, but at league he was unique, one of the most exciting wingers I have ever seen. The rest perhaps went for the wrong reasons; ie, money.

Farrell was a publicity exercise. My abiding memory of Farrell going to Union was that they announced it on the opening day of Super League in whatever year it was, and at that point the contract hadn't been signed. It was a coup, a signal that league was dead because they could nick the best player in the game, and nothing more. For me, it said that they didn't know where they would Farrell would play, pack or centres, but he was deserving of an England place, but if the best person in whatever position that may be is a bloke with knackered knees who doesn't know union, then the English union game must be in a desperate position.

The rest of the 'converts' have failed. Lee Smith may be an exception. We should do all we can to keep our players in the game. Union players have brought to union a panache that league players have coached out of them. Would league have produced a Jonathan Davies? I doubt it. But we must protect our game and preserve our players.

Jonh makes a point about the salary cap. The problem I have with a Wigan fan talking about the salary cap is that what they usually mean is that the reason that they don't win anything is because they can't buy up every good player and watch the rest of the game bankrupt themselves trying to keeep up.

One of the problems we have is that is that the good English players are concentrated in just a couple of clubs, and they will never move as it is only in those clubs that that trophies are to be won, and the salary cap restricts what salaries can be paid.

I would like to see Lee Smith stay in League, and I appreciate that he has got to look after himself. But for people who leave League, I find it very hard to forgive, as they are undermining the one sport that has sustained me throughout my life.

: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:57 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

My take on it is this.

So far the recruits from league have been expensive mistakes. Only Jason Robinson could be regarded as a success, but at league he was unique, one of the most exciting wingers I have ever seen. The rest perhaps went for the wrong reasons; ie, money.

Farrell was a publicity exercise. My abiding memory of Farrell going to Union was that they announced it on the opening day of Super League in whatever year it was, and at that point the contract hadn't been signed. It was a coup, a signal that league was dead because they could nick the best player in the game, and nothing more. For me, it said that they didn't know where they would Farrell would play, pack or centres, but he was deserving of an England place, but if the best person in whatever position that may be is a bloke with knackered knees who doesn't know union, then the English union game must be in a desperate position.

The rest of the 'converts' have failed. Lee Smith may be an exception. We should do all we can to keep our players in the game. Union players have brought to union a panache that league players have coached out of them. Would league have produced a Jonathan Davies? I doubt it. But we must protect our game and preserve our players.

Jonh makes a point about the salary cap. The problem I have with a Wigan fan talking about the salary cap is that what they usually mean is that the reason that they don't win anything is because they can't buy up every good player and watch the rest of the game bankrupt themselves trying to keeep up.

One of the problems we have is that is that the good English players are concentrated in just a couple of clubs, and they will never move as it is only in those clubs that that trophies are to be won, and the salary cap restricts what salaries can be paid.

I would like to see Lee Smith stay in League, and I appreciate that he has got to look after himself. But for people who leave League, I find it very hard to forgive, as they are undermining the one sport that has sustained me throughout my life.

Huge urban myth. Rivalling the NRL is boaring and Wigan do not support there young players.

very few have actually failed in union.

: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:58 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

My take on it is this.

So far the recruits from league have been expensive mistakes. Only Jason Robinson could be regarded as a success, but at league he was unique, one of the most exciting wingers I have ever seen. The rest perhaps went for the wrong reasons; ie, money.

Farrell was a publicity exercise. My abiding memory of Farrell going to Union was that they announced it on the opening day of Super League in whatever year it was, and at that point the contract hadn't been signed. It was a coup, a signal that league was dead because they could nick the best player in the game, and nothing more. For me, it said that they didn't know where they would Farrell would play, pack or centres, but he was deserving of an England place, but if the best person in whatever position that may be is a bloke with knackered knees who doesn't know union, then the English union game must be in a desperate position.

The rest of the 'converts' have failed. Lee Smith may be an exception. We should do all we can to keep our players in the game. Union players have brought to union a panache that league players have coached out of them. Would league have produced a Jonathan Davies? I doubt it. But we must protect our game and preserve our players.

Jonh makes a point about the salary cap. The problem I have with a Wigan fan talking about the salary cap is that what they usually mean is that the reason that they don't win anything is because they can't buy up every good player and watch the rest of the game bankrupt themselves trying to keeep up.

One of the problems we have is that is that the good English players are concentrated in just a couple of clubs, and they will never move as it is only in those clubs that that trophies are to be won, and the salary cap restricts what salaries can be paid.

I would like to see Lee Smith stay in League, and I appreciate that he has got to look after himself. But for people who leave League, I find it very hard to forgive, as they are undermining the one sport that has sustained me throughout my life.

Spot on!!!!