Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:53 am  

vastman wrote:

Dear god, you do realise he was twice capped for England, has McShane?

You're inability to understand true talent however wayward is quite hilarious.

My reputation is well earned and you're another notch on my belt

Matt Cook has played for England, is he a better player than Craig Huby ?


McShane still has time to get international recognition. Most people who know the game (unlike you) have made a point of saying he must be hammering down the door for England.

Scott Moore couldn't do some of the things Macca can, nor did he have a brain like Macca or an ability to read the game.

Hope that helps.

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:53 am  

cheshirecat57 wrote:

I very much doubt it vasty! Saints at that time had cunningham and roby as hookers! Think you will find scotty was a scrum half when he started as a 16 year old at saints.

Not the point is it

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:59 am  

Towns88 wrote:

Matt Cook has played for England, is he a better player than Craig Huby ?


McShane still has time to get international recognition. Most people who know the game (unlike you) have made a point of saying he must be hammering down the door for England.

Scott Moore couldn't do some of the things Macca can, nor did he have a brain like Macca or an ability to read the game.

Hope that helps.

Rubbish but then it's all about opinions isn't it and as ever Cas fans are over egging it as they did with Joe Westerman (remember him, greatest player of his generation).

Let me let you into a secret - Cas are a good team but that doesn't automatically make every player in it a great player.

You put McShane in against the Aussies and they would skin him alive because as noted on here he lacks ticker and then lets see how 'smart' and how 'gifted' he is compared to Moore who had way to much.

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:59 am  

No need for rolling eyes vasty just trying to put you right on the facts about thing you dont know!

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:01 pm  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

Moore was also selected for the Super League Dream Team at Hooker when playing for Shudds. What a waste of a talent.

You but Cas fans will never allow truth, stats or just basic reality to get in the way.

I always though Moore had talent but I didn't realise how much until he played for us and he was well past his best at that point.

Could of, should of unfortunately.

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:05 pm  

vastman wrote:

Rubbish but then it's all about opinions isn't it and as ever Cas fans are over egging it as they did with Joe Westerman (remember him, greatest player of his generation).

Let me let you into a secret - Cas are a good team but that doesn't automatically make every player in it a great player.

You put McShane in against the Aussies and they would skin him alive because as noted on here he lacks ticker and then lets see how 'smart' and how 'gifted' he is compared to Moore who had way to much.

He played for us twice so I think we are entitled to our views on scott Moore. As for Westerman, also capped by England! Though I'd argue he could have had a better career but liked to party too much. When bigging up a young player I was more in the Daryl Clark camp. He's not a bad player is he?

I know that not all our players are great, I think our wingers and centres aren't particularly great. But our 9 is.

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:06 pm  

cheshirecat57 wrote:

No need for rolling eyes vasty just trying to put you right on the facts about thing you dont know!

Fair enough but I did know that it just wasn't relevant, that's why I said he should or could have become the best number nine of his generation. In fact I suppose logically he should have become the best no 7 which is possibly a more prestigious position.

Robey would have been a tricky one I admit whilst Cunningham came from a previous generation. What's sad is Moore never really got close other than in 2009 because he suffered from a mental illness - i.e. he was and probably still is a total wally off the pitch which few would deny.

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:08 pm  

Towns88 wrote:

He played for us twice so I think we are entitled to our views on scott Moore. As for Westerman, also capped by England! Though I'd argue he could have had a better career but liked to party too much. When bigging up a young player I was more in the Daryl Clark camp. He's not a bad player is he?

I know that not all our players are great, I think our wingers and centres aren't particularly great. But our 9 is.

He's great for you I wouldn't deny that, same as Woody is for us - but neither imho are actually great players.

Also I'm not convinced Clarke has exactly fulfilled his potential.

Anyway I'm now certain McShane will have a blinder against us tonight

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:12 pm  

Towns88 wrote:

He played for us twice so I think we are entitled to our views on scott Moore. As for Westerman, also capped by England! Though I'd argue he could have had a better career but liked to party too much. When bigging up a young player I was more in the Daryl Clark camp. He's not a bad player is he?

I know that not all our players are great, I think our wingers and centres aren't particularly great. But our 9 is.

I'd have Clark over McShane at 9 all day long and had you not needed some cash (at the time), I'm pretty sure that everyone over t'common would have liked to keep hold of him instead.

Re: Castleford : Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:18 pm  

vastman wrote:

He's great for you I wouldn't deny that, same as Woody is for us - but neither imho are actually great players.

Also I'm not convinced Clarke has exactly fulfilled his potential.

Went backwards under TS but has been better this year plus he's far more of a pro than Westerman ever was. Still relatively young really at 25 and has played at Wembley 3 times and for England,

Maybe McShane didn't have heart for you, or thats how you perceived it but he certainly does for us, he's often stand out in a losing cause this season. To say he doesn't have a ticker or heart is just plain wrong. The Aussies wouldn't skin him alive either, he has that element of poop housary in him, he'd do alright.

I do think McShane will play for England at some point.