Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:52 am  

Kevs Head wrote:

Brexiters want to take the country back to the 50s and now some on here want to bring back hanging. I despair. And how anybody in their right mind can think for one millisecond that the Tories in general and Johnson in particular give even one tiny fraction of a flying f.. K about places such as Blyth Valley, Workington, Dewsbury and Wakefield is beyond me. For just one example of their mindset look at how disabled and seriously ill people have been forced to work and/or denied benefits. Being callous and uncaring of the vulnerable, sick, less able and plain unlucky is hard wired in to Tory DNA. I guarantee that all those people who think they've been ignored and left behind are going to be sorely disappointed. Sorry.

Don't be sorry .Good post.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:08 am  

Here's another victim why do people think it's ok to carry knives 15 yr old https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-50797942

Here's another victim why do people think it's ok to carry knives 15 yr old https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-50797942

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:33 am  

Some but not all, unfortunately the death penalty would be applied to some of these and what do you do then say sorry we got it wrong. The Birmingham 6, Steven Kitchcoe for example, all convicted for murder all had to be released after they are found to have not committed the crimes.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:11 am  

Kevs Head wrote:

Brexiters want to take the country back to the 50s and now some on here want to bring back hanging. I despair. And how anybody in their right mind can think for one millisecond that the Tories in general and Johnson in particular give even one tiny fraction of a flying f.. K about places such as Blyth Valley, Workington, Dewsbury and Wakefield is beyond me. For just one example of their mindset look at how disabled and seriously ill people have been forced to work and/or denied benefits. Being callous and uncaring of the vulnerable, sick, less able and plain unlucky is hard wired in to Tory DNA. I guarantee that all those people who think they've been ignored and left behind are going to be sorely disappointed. Sorry.

I know first hand what life was like for the working class under the tories, I was a miner in 84/85 and didn’t have a pot to p.ss in for 12 months .Had to take tv and vcr back to rental shop early doors and went over to the pit for a food parcel every week to keep my family going ,so I know what hardships all about .Id broken my neck the previous year underground through faulty equipment and was pursuing a claim against the coal board ,6 months into the strike 2 officials visited me at home to offer me £1000.00 damages for the negligence claim, on the condition I signed to say I could lay no further claim later in life if things got worse , that was like manor to heaven for me at the time .According to my union rep I should have turned it down as I was looking at a substantial payout .
I’m 57 now and walk with a limp and about to go in for a disc fusing all Down to that accident all those years ago ,but I’ve never gone on the sick or claimed benefits ,I’m from an era where you crack on and get on with it .When I see people jumping out of blue badged cars and stroll off shopping or the benefit stick culture that is sweeping the country it saddens me that we are becoming a nation of moaning minnies, always looking to blame . I voted Tory in Wakefield for the first time in my life simply because labour has i my eyes done jack all for us proud people of wakefield. Im sure the new incumbent Isn’t gunna wave a magic wand and the streets of wakefield will be paved of gold ,but I’m sure it’ll be better than what it is now which is beggars, druggies and thief’s .

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:16 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Some but not all, unfortunately the death penalty would be applied to some of these and what do you do then say sorry we got it wrong. The Birmingham 6, Steven Kitchcoe for example, all convicted for murder all had to be released after they are found to have not committed the crimes.

some but not all, I sense a slight change now in your opinion, the ones who are caught in the act with a smoking gun or bloody machete are so clear the other get life which means life unless they prove they are innocent simples.
Let's down grade a little in the crimes are you happy that someone can walk into your house hooded and demand your car keys and threaten your life or try to steal your dogs while walking in the street leaving you beaten up this has happened in wakefield recently.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:36 am  

snowie wrote:

Miscarriages of justice some are so clear cut they shouldn't breath oxygen, had the police not disposed of the London attacker we would of just give a cell to other waste of life, it's time the law was tougher

And no I'm not a conservative

I totally agree that the law has to be tougher. It sickens me when I see some of the mindless filth in our society
brought before the courts having many times wrecked somebody's life, by violence or whatever, and being handed
joke sentences.
I really don't know what planet some of the juges are on, but they should hang their heads in shame and just for once think of the victim.
Not an advocate of the death penalty but life means life. simple as that.

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Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:43 am  

Kettykat wrote:

I know first hand what life was like for the working class under the tories, I was a miner in 84/85 and didn’t have a pot to p.ss in for 12 months .Had to take tv and vcr back to rental shop early doors and went over to the pit for a food parcel every week to keep my family going ,so I know what hardships all about .Id broken my neck the previous year underground through faulty equipment and was pursuing a claim against the coal board ,6 months into the strike 2 officials visited me at home to offer me £1000.00 damages for the negligence claim, on the condition I signed to say I could lay no further claim later in life if things got worse , that was like manor to heaven for me at the time .According to my union rep I should have turned it down as I was looking at a substantial payout .
I’m 57 now and walk with a limp and about to go in for a disc fusing all Down to that accident all those years ago ,but I’ve never gone on the sick or claimed benefits ,I’m from an era where you crack on and get on with it .When I see people jumping out of blue badged cars and stroll off shopping or the benefit stick culture that is sweeping the country it saddens me that we are becoming a nation of moaning minnies, always looking to blame . I voted Tory in Wakefield for the first time in my life simply because labour has i my eyes done jack all for us proud people of wakefield. Im sure the new incumbent Isn’t gunna wave a magic wand and the streets of wakefield will be paved of gold ,but I’m sure it’ll be better than what it is now which is beggars, druggies and thief’s .

I'm no expert Ketty but I'd say you would have good grounds to go back on that agreement, especially in light of other claims from that era. It wouldn't be hard to prove you were bullied in to signing.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:07 am  

Kettykat wrote:

I know first hand what life was like for the working class under the tories, I was a miner in 84/85 and didn’t have a pot to p.ss in for 12 months .Had to take tv and vcr back to rental shop early doors and went over to the pit for a food parcel every week to keep my family going ,so I know what hardships all about .Id broken my neck the previous year underground through faulty equipment and was pursuing a claim against the coal board ,6 months into the strike 2 officials visited me at home to offer me £1000.00 damages for the negligence claim, on the condition I signed to say I could lay no further claim later in life if things got worse , that was like manor to heaven for me at the time .According to my union rep I should have turned it down as I was looking at a substantial payout .
I’m 57 now and walk with a limp and about to go in for a disc fusing all Down to that accident all those years ago ,but I’ve never gone on the sick or claimed benefits ,I’m from an era where you crack on and get on with it .When I see people jumping out of blue badged cars and stroll off shopping or the benefit stick culture that is sweeping the country it saddens me that we are becoming a nation of moaning minnies, always looking to blame . I voted Tory in Wakefield for the first time in my life simply because labour has i my eyes done jack all for us proud people of wakefield. Im sure the new incumbent Isn’t gunna wave a magic wand and the streets of wakefield will be paved of gold ,but I’m sure it’ll be better than what it is now which is beggars, druggies and thief’s .

You and me both Ketty Cat except I didn’t vote Tory

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:23 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

This is literally the lie that will never die. I should be amazed that people still believe the stuff on the side of the bus after all these years but sadly it's still out there.

Really? In 2016 we paid in 13 billion and got 8 billion back from the EU we spend about .48% of our GDP in supporting the EU we get back about .3%

We have had our industries dismantled into just in time suppliers as part of a supply chain with many companies that are or were British household names producing and being managed in other European Countries and beyond of course.

This after rebates before rebates it would be about 13 Billion we would pay, this was the figure on the bus the reality is its over half that amount.

As for the death penalty when we leave we will be able to amend our Human Righrs legislation without the EU Court dictating. I would not expect too much change but life should mean life except in exceptional circumstances.

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Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:35 am  

Posting numbers on here is no different to the bus.
Even if ever number is factually true its only half the picture.

We've had a vote. It went against my opinion first time.
We've had another vote and the result was overwhelming.

I don't see the point of the "we won the argument" comment from Corbyn or the 'were all doomed' supporters.
We have a government. Let's move forward and see what happens. We've been stood still too long.