Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:40 am  

The Phantom Horseman wrote:

Yeah he's the epitome of a boom-or-bust signing really. I'm pleased we have taken a gamble with him (though rumour is he's not on an exorbitant salary), we'll have to wiat and see how he goes.

if his head is on he is unstopple near the line in the NRL - think he will run over the top of teams in the championship

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:27 am  

BOJ042 wrote:

if his head is on he is unstopple near the line in the NRL - think he will run over the top of teams in the championship

If that proves the case he won’t be a Fev player for long, this signing doesn’t ring quite true to me. The idea that he didn’t know Fev were not in SL is nonsense. Even if he didn’t his agent would, this strikes me as a leverage signing that will have a very large get out clause should SL or even the NRL come knocking.

I don’t blame Fev but this boy is still NRL capable let alone SL.so I can’t see him slogging it against Batley for long.

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:11 am  

vastman wrote:

If that proves the case he won’t be a Fev player for long, this signing doesn’t ring quite true to me. The idea that he didn’t know Fev were not in SL is nonsense. Even if he didn’t his agent would, this strikes me as a leverage signing that will have a very large get out clause should SL or even the NRL come knocking.

I don’t blame Fev but this boy is still NRL capable let alone SL.so I can’t see him slogging it against Batley for long.

He is a top class centre. If his head is on he is comfortably the the best centre in SL, but his head hasn't been on for 2 years and he carries a lot of baggage with him.

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:31 am  

jonh wrote:

He is a top class centre. If his head is on he is comfortably the the best centre in SL, but his head hasn't been on for 2 years and he carries a lot of baggage with him.

Thats exactly what I meant, if a stint at Fev goes well he will become a very attractive prospect.

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:35 am  

vastman wrote:

If that proves the case he won’t be a Fev player for long, this signing doesn’t ring quite true to me. The idea that he didn’t know Fev were not in SL is nonsense. Even if he didn’t his agent would, this strikes me as a leverage signing that will have a very large get out clause should SL or even the NRL come knocking.

This has been speculated at (as it was with Cameron King and Nu Brown) but nobody really has any firm idea and if there isn't a clear SL clause in his contract Mark Campbell won't let him go anywhere until his initial contract (which I assume is for a year) expires.

The club insisted James Harrison see out his contract in 2021 when multiple SL teams were trying to sign him by stating they'd want a significant transfer fee to allow him to move whilst still under contract and I'd be surprised if they had gone to the expense of flying Leilua over and housing him if he could walk away from the deal after a couple of games.

I don't know why you think the signing doesn't ring true though, he was getting no offers in the NRL, virtually every SL club was already at the quota limit by the time it became clear he was going to be available (and were wary of his reputation to boot), and until Leigh tried to muscle in late in the day he didn't really have any other reaslistic options and looked like he might not be playing RL at all this year.

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:47 am  

The Phantom Horseman wrote:

This has been speculated at (as it was with Cameron King and Nu Brown) but nobody really has any firm idea and if there isn't a clear SL clause in his contract Mark Campbell won't let him go anywhere until his initial contract (which I assume is for a year) expires.

The club insisted James Harrison see out his contract in 2021 when multiple SL teams were trying to sign him by stating they'd want a significant transfer fee to allow him to move whilst still under contract and I'd be surprised if they had gone to the expense of flying Leilua over and housing him if he could walk away from the deal after a couple of games.

I don't know why you think the signing doesn't ring true though, he was getting no offers in the NRL, virtually every SL club was already at the quota limit by the time it became clear he was going to be available (and were wary of his reputation to boot), and until Leigh tried to muscle in late in the day he didn't really have any other reaslistic options and looked like he might not be playing RL at all this year.

Fair point, I meant more from his perspective ie a shop window. Like you say nobody knows the full detail but it's hard to imagine there isn't an out, something that is a benefit to you as well as him. It's ok this idea of making a player see out a contract but it's extremely hard to enforce. The truth is it's very easy for a player to make his feelings felt as regards whether he wants to play for you. Most are honourable but some are not and you don't want to be lumbered with one of those. You've been around you don't need me to tell you the risks.

I get your comparison with the others but I do think this player is a few notches up in terms of desirability to an SL club, he's a borderline marquee signing. One thing I can promise you is that though not impossible it's unlikely to be us who causes you any bother

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:13 am  

vastman wrote:

Fair point, I meant more from his perspective ie a shop window. Like you say nobody knows the full detail but it's hard to imagine there isn't an out, something that is a benefit to you as well as him. It's ok this idea of making a player see out a contract but it's extremely hard to enforce. The truth is it's very easy for a player to make his feelings felt as regards whether he wants to play for you. Most are honourable but some are not and you don't want to be lumbered with one of those. You've been around you don't need me to tell you the risks.

Personally I'd be surprised if he has an out clause (because it would make no sense for Fev to fly him over and house him if he could walk after his first good game) but I'll be pleasantly surprised if he comes in and plays anything like the 2018 Joey anyway, which isn't to say he won't be a great signing at Championship level.

I'd like to think that for most of this season playing for Fev in SL in 2023 will seem a reasonable possibility anyway (we'll know more about that after Monday night v Leigh).

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:22 am  

The Phantom Horseman wrote:

Personally I'd be surprised if he has an out clause (because it would make no sense for Fev to fly him over and house him if he could walk after his first good game) but I'll be pleasantly surprised if he comes in and plays anything like the 2018 Joey anyway, which isn't to say he won't be a great signing at Championship level.

I'd like to think that for most of this season playing for Fev in SL in 2023 will seem a reasonable possibility anyway (we'll know more about that after Monday night v Leigh).

There would if your chairman had written in a compensation clause. If and I agree it's only an if, he did move I'd fully expect you to receive the 'nominal' transfer fee to cover it. A bit like the one Catalan paid us when the centre whose name I forget changed his mind and stayed with them,

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:13 pm  

vastman wrote:

There would if your chairman had written in a compensation clause. If and I agree it's only an if, he did move I'd fully expect you to receive the 'nominal' transfer fee to cover it. A bit like the one Catalan paid us when the centre whose name I forget changed his mind and stayed with them,

Langi.

Re: Relegation Battle : Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:03 pm  

chissitt wrote:

Langi.

Bless you