Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:25 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: The counter argument is simple for even you to understand There are currently governments and ruling bodies right accross the political spectrum, with substantially different motives and beliefs, ALL following roughly the same path to TRY and protect "their people". I'm sorry that it doesn't fit your narrative but, your crackpot theory has NEVER happened in the 1000's of years of humans roaming the earth. Yes, different groups have tried to take over another country and have hoped to rule ever larger parts of the world, some with religious beliefs, others with their own ideology, However, your reason for believing that a new world order seems to be based on an annual event that happened to discuss the possibility of a global pandemic - hardly surprising given smaller less virulent outbreaks over the past century and "talk" of a global reset, which again, YOU have taken literally. Sorry bud, but, it just isn't happening, although there is a pandemic which needs tackling. It's believed by the FBI that this type of pandemic fear mongering episode was in fact tried just after 9/11. Anyone remember the mainstream media's hysteria around the anthrax scare? All the talk of the day was "flu like symptoms" and "we're all going to die", where have we heard that before? Strangely enough just before the attacks were known to have started CNN reported the risk of an anthrax attack. Great foresight by those US officials and CNN publishers! http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/ge ... index.html September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:22 AM EDT (0522 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- While U.S. officials say they have more evidence would-be terrorists remain in the United States and could be plotting more bombings, there is growing concern they may be trying to acquire biological weapons. Experts say the most likely biological killer which terrorists might use is anthrax. Only 1 billionth of a gram -- the size of a speck of dust -- is lethal I remember the attacks a bit at the time and was later confused how they had originally told us it was somehow linked to overseas terrorism - Al Qaeda, Russians etc. Turned out the official narrative of pointing the finger at the "overseas bad guys" had to change fast as some clever boffins worked out the source had actually come from a US military base - Fort Detrick. The terrorism was domestic which led some people to suggest it was another false flag part of a Psi Op. Strangely enough this base was forced to close in early 2019 https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... n.html/amp The US helped move its operations to China by funding the infamous lab in Wuhan then you all know what major news story broke at the end of 2019. Suspicious to say the least. Back to anthrax in 2001, the FBI blamed just one individual for the anthrax attack - Dr Bruce Irvins. Some argue he was framed by the FBI for the attack as they could only pin circumstantial evidence for it being him. I myself find it hard to believe why he would carry out such horrific attacks on random people that he had no vendetta against even taking into account his so called "reported emails". More interesting is according to the FBI his motive was saving the anthrax vaccine program. "The anthrax vaccine program to which [Dr. Ivins] had devoted his entire career of more than 20 years was failing. [...] Following the anthrax attacks, however, his program was suddenly rejuvenated" [and] "a possible motive was his concern about the end of the vaccination program[...], and one theory is that by launching these attacks, he creates a situation, a scenario, where people all of a sudden realize the need to have this vaccine." https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/ ... a-697.html Miro have you investigated this story, what's your take on the anthrax episode in 2001?

wrencat1873 wrote: The counter argument is simple for even you to understand There are currently governments and ruling bodies right accross the political spectrum, with substantially different motives and beliefs, ALL following roughly the same path to TRY and protect "their people". I'm sorry that it doesn't fit your narrative but, your crackpot theory has NEVER happened in the 1000's of years of humans roaming the earth. Yes, different groups have tried to take over another country and have hoped to rule ever larger parts of the world, some with religious beliefs, others with their own ideology, However, your reason for believing that a new world order seems to be based on an annual event that happened to discuss the possibility of a global pandemic - hardly surprising given smaller less virulent outbreaks over the past century and "talk" of a global reset, which again, YOU have taken literally. Sorry bud, but, it just isn't happening, although there is a pandemic which needs tackling. It's believed by the FBI that this type of pandemic fear mongering episode was in fact tried just after 9/11. Anyone remember the mainstream media's hysteria around the anthrax scare? All the talk of the day was "flu like symptoms" and "we're all going to die", where have we heard that before? Strangely enough just before the attacks were known to have started CNN reported the risk of an anthrax attack. Great foresight by those US officials and CNN publishers! http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/ge ... index.html September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:22 AM EDT (0522 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- While U.S. officials say they have more evidence would-be terrorists remain in the United States and could be plotting more bombings, there is growing concern they may be trying to acquire biological weapons. Experts say the most likely biological killer which terrorists might use is anthrax. Only 1 billionth of a gram -- the size of a speck of dust -- is lethal I remember the attacks a bit at the time and was later confused how they had originally told us it was somehow linked to overseas terrorism - Al Qaeda, Russians etc. Turned out the official narrative of pointing the finger at the "overseas bad guys" had to change fast as some clever boffins worked out the source had actually come from a US military base - Fort Detrick. The terrorism was domestic which led some people to suggest it was another false flag part of a Psi Op. Strangely enough this base was forced to close in early 2019 https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... n.html/amp The US helped move its operations to China by funding the infamous lab in Wuhan then you all know what major news story broke at the end of 2019. Suspicious to say the least. Back to anthrax in 2001, the FBI blamed just one individual for the anthrax attack - Dr Bruce Irvins. Some argue he was framed by the FBI for the attack as they could only pin circumstantial evidence for it being him. I myself find it hard to believe why he would carry out such horrific attacks on random people that he had no vendetta against even taking into account his so called "reported emails". More interesting is according to the FBI his motive was saving the anthrax vaccine program. "The anthrax vaccine program to which [Dr. Ivins] had devoted his entire career of more than 20 years was failing. [...] Following the anthrax attacks, however, his program was suddenly rejuvenated" [and] "a possible motive was his concern about the end of the vaccination program[...], and one theory is that by launching these attacks, he creates a situation, a scenario, where people all of a sudden realize the need to have this vaccine." https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/ ... a-697.html Miro have you investigated this story, what's your take on the anthrax episode in 2001?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:50 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote: It's believed by the FBI that this type of pandemic fear mongering episode was in fact tried just after 9/11. Anyone remember the mainstream media's hysteria around the anthrax scare? All the talk of the day was "flu like symptoms" and "we're all going to die", where have we heard that before? Strangely enough just before the attacks were known to have started CNN reported the risk of an anthrax attack. Great foresight by those US officials and CNN publishers! http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/ge ... index.html September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:22 AM EDT (0522 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- While U.S. officials say they have more evidence would-be terrorists remain in the United States and could be plotting more bombings, there is growing concern they may be trying to acquire biological weapons. Experts say the most likely biological killer which terrorists might use is anthrax. Only 1 billionth of a gram -- the size of a speck of dust -- is lethal I remember the attacks a bit at the time and was later confused how they had originally told us it was somehow linked to overseas terrorism - Al Qaeda, Russians etc. Turned out the official narrative of pointing the finger at the "overseas bad guys" had to change fast as some clever boffins worked out the source had actually come from a US military base - Fort Detrick. The terrorism was domestic which led some people to suggest it was another false flag part of a Psi Op. Strangely enough this base was forced to close in early 2019 https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... n.html/amp The US helped move its operations to China by funding the infamous lab in Wuhan then you all know what major news story broke at the end of 2019. Suspicious to say the least. Back to anthrax in 2001, the FBI blamed just one individual for the anthrax attack - Dr Bruce Irvins. Some argue he was framed by the FBI for the attack as they could only pin circumstantial evidence for it being him. I myself find it hard to believe why he would carry out such horrific attacks on random people that he had no vendetta against even taking into account his so called "reported emails". More interesting is according to the FBI his motive was saving the anthrax vaccine program. "The anthrax vaccine program to which [Dr. Ivins] had devoted his entire career of more than 20 years was failing. [...] Following the anthrax attacks, however, his program was suddenly rejuvenated" [and] "a possible motive was his concern about the end of the vaccination program[...], and one theory is that by launching these attacks, he creates a situation, a scenario, where people all of a sudden realize the need to have this vaccine." https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/ ... a-697.html Miro have you investigated this story, what's your take on the anthrax episode in 2001? Are you seriously linking this as a pre cursor to Covid

MatthewTrin wrote: It's believed by the FBI that this type of pandemic fear mongering episode was in fact tried just after 9/11. Anyone remember the mainstream media's hysteria around the anthrax scare? All the talk of the day was "flu like symptoms" and "we're all going to die", where have we heard that before? Strangely enough just before the attacks were known to have started CNN reported the risk of an anthrax attack. Great foresight by those US officials and CNN publishers! http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/ge ... index.html September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:22 AM EDT (0522 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- While U.S. officials say they have more evidence would-be terrorists remain in the United States and could be plotting more bombings, there is growing concern they may be trying to acquire biological weapons. Experts say the most likely biological killer which terrorists might use is anthrax. Only 1 billionth of a gram -- the size of a speck of dust -- is lethal I remember the attacks a bit at the time and was later confused how they had originally told us it was somehow linked to overseas terrorism - Al Qaeda, Russians etc. Turned out the official narrative of pointing the finger at the "overseas bad guys" had to change fast as some clever boffins worked out the source had actually come from a US military base - Fort Detrick. The terrorism was domestic which led some people to suggest it was another false flag part of a Psi Op. Strangely enough this base was forced to close in early 2019 https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... n.html/amp The US helped move its operations to China by funding the infamous lab in Wuhan then you all know what major news story broke at the end of 2019. Suspicious to say the least. Back to anthrax in 2001, the FBI blamed just one individual for the anthrax attack - Dr Bruce Irvins. Some argue he was framed by the FBI for the attack as they could only pin circumstantial evidence for it being him. I myself find it hard to believe why he would carry out such horrific attacks on random people that he had no vendetta against even taking into account his so called "reported emails". More interesting is according to the FBI his motive was saving the anthrax vaccine program. "The anthrax vaccine program to which [Dr. Ivins] had devoted his entire career of more than 20 years was failing. [...] Following the anthrax attacks, however, his program was suddenly rejuvenated" [and] "a possible motive was his concern about the end of the vaccination program[...], and one theory is that by launching these attacks, he creates a situation, a scenario, where people all of a sudden realize the need to have this vaccine." https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/ ... a-697.html Miro have you investigated this story, what's your take on the anthrax episode in 2001? Are you seriously linking this as a pre cursor to Covid

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:04 am  

Sandro II Terrorista wrote:

You're claiming all of that as your own work again are you?

I don't necessarily disagree with some of your prose, but you need to reference and then back it up.

"]You're claiming all of that as your own work again are you? "

No, the clue was in the following sentence:

"Below are the books and a short review (not mine) of them both"

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:00 am  

PopTart wrote:

So, two books, out of millions of similar. One is a fictional representation of socialism, the other an example of a company following their own capitalist views.
Great book reviews. But what's the point?
All it seems to indicate to me is that you are living in the past and you are simply resistent to modern day change.

WHOOSH!
The clue is in the title. You my friend are a modern day “Ragged Trousered Philanthropist” I wonder if the covidflu “opportunist” 1% will remember you cheer leaders in their wills. I very much doubt it.

Now.
How else can I demonstrate how the world is being carved up if I cannot quote even the recent past. Still it's refreshing to hear you casually quote these immoral and criminal dealings as just “capitalism” Yeah, who cares eh? Well, John Perkins evidently did, eventually.

You ask,
“All it seems to indicate to me is that you are living in the past and you are simply resistant to modern day change.”

Well, here are some quotes from far wiser people than you or I. Especially you.

“Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.”

“Those who cannot remember the past are commended to repeat it without a sense of ironic futility”.
Errol Morris.

“History repeats itself so you might wanna take note.”
Quavo.

“Prepare for the unknown by studying how others in the past have coped with the unforeseeable and the unpredictable.”
― George S. Patton

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:35 am  

Just get a room!!!

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:39 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

NOBODY has said that your "research" has come from Ike.
However, despite having very, very similar views (some of them word for word ) you have said that you have NEVER read any of his output. Therefore, creating one of the most incredible coincidences ever seen or perhaps you dont want to be associated with someone who, like you, is associated with quite unusual beliefs.

Do you have a turquoise tracksuit ?

As for you many theories

One by one, they just aren't happening and/or have been debunked

Are all of the new figures on hospital admissions and increased cases of covid all fake and are you still encouraging your customers to enter your establishment not to wear face coverings.

The irony here is that by your actions, in allowing people to enter your shop, without face coverings, YOU are "helping" both spread the virus and prolong the lockdowns that you despise.
Too bloody selfish to follow the guidance but, spending plenty of time complaining the restrictions are in place.

Also, you've asked for proof of things that people dont believe exist and you seem disappointed that it cant be provided
How about the Loch Ness Monster ?

You say:
NOBODY has said that your "research" has come from Ike

The inference is here, and you know it.

“Wow. I just clicked on David Icke's web page. There are quite a few references on there that are similar to yours Miro. I'm getting a bit worried for you now.”

“He talks about One World Order, Talks about how lockdown is all about taking our freedom not for our safety, quotes the nurse you quoted “

“One by one, they just aren't happening and/or have been debunked”

Oh no old boy, you failed miserably on that one. 48 hours now.

“No need to wear that on my account.” Is not encouraging adults with minds of their own.
Simply offering freedom of choice. Remember that? Freedom of choice?


“Are all of the new figures on hospital admissions and increased cases of covid all fake ?”

Not all, flu takes it's toll this time of year. Anyway, Ms Hartley-Brewer has done a fine job humiliating your MP Jenrick without my assistance.

The irony here is that by your actions, in allowing people to enter your shop, without face coverings, YOU are "helping" both spread the virus and prolong the lockdowns that you despise.

No, I see how peoples fingers handle their filthy bug, virus, saliva and snot riddled masks and then go about touching all and sundry. The simple act of breathing out, as has happened since time immemorial is, for me, by far the lesser of two evils.
And still no one of my acquaintance either dead or in hospital with or of covidflu. My assessment is working out fine.

Also, it is not being selfish, that is doing a simple risk assessment, something you cannot accuse your lord and masters of doing. Have you got that RE for me yet?

Finally.

“Do you have a turquoise tracksuit ? “

“How about the Loch Ness Monster ? “

Grow up wrencat will you?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:49 am  

PopTart wrote:

One of the best proofs of absence from my point of view is that, in modern times, if you can actually prove a conspiracy theory or be the guy to out something clandestine, you'll be minted for life.

In the same way that no one from the original Nasa team that put a man on the moon has come forward. For relatively low paid workers that would set them up forever, but no one ever has.

Exactly the same now. I'm sure there will be things about individual cover ups of trips to Barnard Castle that will come out in the wash, but only on small individual cases.
No one has any evidence of a New World Order, apart from imaginative fiction. I'm sure it'll be a good book one day.

Of course there was a time when people were seen as crazy for suggesting the world was round. If a rugby forum like this existed in those days I'm sure Miroclese would be telling us the truth....... But the difference is, in that case, evidence was there to change peoples mind.
If you can put anything close to a minute amount of tangible evidence you can consider me a convert.... But up to now I haven't seen it.

"No one has any evidence of a New World Order, apart from imaginative fiction. I'm sure it'll be a good book one day"

And that one sentence proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you take very little in and understand nothing.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:58 am  

MatthewTrin wrote: It's believed by the FBI that this type of pandemic fear mongering episode was in fact tried just after 9/11. Anyone remember the mainstream media's hysteria around the anthrax scare? All the talk of the day was "flu like symptoms" and "we're all going to die", where have we heard that before? Strangely enough just before the attacks were known to have started CNN reported the risk of an anthrax attack. Great foresight by those US officials and CNN publishers! http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/ge ... index.html September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:22 AM EDT (0522 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- While U.S. officials say they have more evidence would-be terrorists remain in the United States and could be plotting more bombings, there is growing concern they may be trying to acquire biological weapons. Experts say the most likely biological killer which terrorists might use is anthrax. Only 1 billionth of a gram -- the size of a speck of dust -- is lethal I remember the attacks a bit at the time and was later confused how they had originally told us it was somehow linked to overseas terrorism - Al Qaeda, Russians etc. Turned out the official narrative of pointing the finger at the "overseas bad guys" had to change fast as some clever boffins worked out the source had actually come from a US military base - Fort Detrick. The terrorism was domestic which led some people to suggest it was another false flag part of a Psi Op. Strangely enough this base was forced to close in early 2019 https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... n.html/amp The US helped move its operations to China by funding the infamous lab in Wuhan then you all know what major news story broke at the end of 2019. Suspicious to say the least. Back to anthrax in 2001, the FBI blamed just one individual for the anthrax attack - Dr Bruce Irvins. Some argue he was framed by the FBI for the attack as they could only pin circumstantial evidence for it being him. I myself find it hard to believe why he would carry out such horrific attacks on random people that he had no vendetta against even taking into account his so called "reported emails". More interesting is according to the FBI his motive was saving the anthrax vaccine program. "The anthrax vaccine program to which [Dr. Ivins] had devoted his entire career of more than 20 years was failing. [...] Following the anthrax attacks, however, his program was suddenly rejuvenated" [and] "a possible motive was his concern about the end of the vaccination program[...], and one theory is that by launching these attacks, he creates a situation, a scenario, where people all of a sudden realize the need to have this vaccine." https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/ ... a-697.html Miro have you investigated this story, what's your take on the anthrax episode in 2001? I remember it well and watched as the whole farce unfolded. In real time as it happened. That's what the gang of four forget, Some of us are old enough to have seen all these shenanigans unfold before yet their faith in these people and organizations continues to baffle me.

MatthewTrin wrote: It's believed by the FBI that this type of pandemic fear mongering episode was in fact tried just after 9/11. Anyone remember the mainstream media's hysteria around the anthrax scare? All the talk of the day was "flu like symptoms" and "we're all going to die", where have we heard that before? Strangely enough just before the attacks were known to have started CNN reported the risk of an anthrax attack. Great foresight by those US officials and CNN publishers! http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/ge ... index.html September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:22 AM EDT (0522 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- While U.S. officials say they have more evidence would-be terrorists remain in the United States and could be plotting more bombings, there is growing concern they may be trying to acquire biological weapons. Experts say the most likely biological killer which terrorists might use is anthrax. Only 1 billionth of a gram -- the size of a speck of dust -- is lethal I remember the attacks a bit at the time and was later confused how they had originally told us it was somehow linked to overseas terrorism - Al Qaeda, Russians etc. Turned out the official narrative of pointing the finger at the "overseas bad guys" had to change fast as some clever boffins worked out the source had actually come from a US military base - Fort Detrick. The terrorism was domestic which led some people to suggest it was another false flag part of a Psi Op. Strangely enough this base was forced to close in early 2019 https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... n.html/amp The US helped move its operations to China by funding the infamous lab in Wuhan then you all know what major news story broke at the end of 2019. Suspicious to say the least. Back to anthrax in 2001, the FBI blamed just one individual for the anthrax attack - Dr Bruce Irvins. Some argue he was framed by the FBI for the attack as they could only pin circumstantial evidence for it being him. I myself find it hard to believe why he would carry out such horrific attacks on random people that he had no vendetta against even taking into account his so called "reported emails". More interesting is according to the FBI his motive was saving the anthrax vaccine program. "The anthrax vaccine program to which [Dr. Ivins] had devoted his entire career of more than 20 years was failing. [...] Following the anthrax attacks, however, his program was suddenly rejuvenated" [and] "a possible motive was his concern about the end of the vaccination program[...], and one theory is that by launching these attacks, he creates a situation, a scenario, where people all of a sudden realize the need to have this vaccine." https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/ ... a-697.html Miro have you investigated this story, what's your take on the anthrax episode in 2001? I remember it well and watched as the whole farce unfolded. In real time as it happened. That's what the gang of four forget, Some of us are old enough to have seen all these shenanigans unfold before yet their faith in these people and organizations continues to baffle me.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:03 am  

Miro wrote:

"No one has any evidence of a New World Order, apart from imaginative fiction. I'm sure it'll be a good book one day"

And that one sentence proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you take very little in and understand nothing.

And your interminable ramblings on here prove beyond a shadow of doubt that you have well and truly been taken in and refuse to understand anything.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:05 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Are you seriously linking this as a pre cursor to Covid

Are you seriously not prepared to consider all possibilitys? Are these people not to be questioned? Is your faith in these people so encompassing that you give them a free pass to do and say anything?

Is this the best you can come up with on such an important subject?