FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - budgeting for a loss
snowie 
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman
JoinedServiceReputation
23 years331st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Jan 70 00:0020th Jun 22 17:41LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

budgeting for a loss : Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:51 am  
can someone explain to me how you can budget for a loss above £2 million in a business, seems crazy to me, I understand making a loss investing in the future but £2 million :shock:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/44793394
can someone explain to me how you can budget for a loss above £2 million in a business, seems crazy to me, I understand making a loss investing in the future but £2 million :shock:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/44793394
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain886
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 15 20187 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th May 21 14:4823rd Jul 18 20:07LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Northstand. Week in, Week out.
Signature
Eastmoor born and bred, hardest lad around.

Re: budgeting for a loss : Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:00 am  
It would depend on the overall spend, £2 million could be nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's a pretty poor write up by the BBC.
snowie 
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman
JoinedServiceReputation
23 years331st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Jan 70 00:0020th Jun 22 17:41LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: budgeting for a loss : Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:03 am  
Trinity18 wrote:
It would depend on the overall spend, £2 million could be nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's a pretty poor write up by the BBC.

here's a better one including £400,000 loss on Odsal stadium valuation

http://www.rugby-league.com/article/528 ... -in-future
Trinity18 wrote:
It would depend on the overall spend, £2 million could be nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's a pretty poor write up by the BBC.

here's a better one including £400,000 loss on Odsal stadium valuation

http://www.rugby-league.com/article/528 ... -in-future
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2805
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 22 20187 years152nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Oct 24 07:286th Oct 24 15:26LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Tomorrowland

Re: budgeting for a loss : Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:18 am  
A business can budget for anything really, it is just basically what goes into strategy documents/business plans preempting profit/loss. If a organisation makes a £2m profit in 2014, 2015 and 2016 they may look to have a investment/transformation period whereby they invest in facilities/additional resources etc it does not necessarily mean the loss has had a massive financial impact on the organisation.
bren2k 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach15521
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 24 201015 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th May 20 12:495th May 20 08:10LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Ossett

Re: budgeting for a loss : Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:26 am  
I'm not for a minute suggesting the RFL is well run - or that some of those losses couldn't be avoided; such as Mr Woods big fat pay-off or the costs of the Odsal deal - but from an accounting perspective, it's entirely normal to forecast an in-year loss. At least they appear to have some mitigation - if you don't, that spells real trouble.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach17955
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 24 201113 years54th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
13th Oct 24 17:4914th Oct 24 07:56LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: budgeting for a loss : Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:46 am  
snowie wrote:
can someone explain to me how you can budget for a loss above £2 million in a business, seems crazy to me, I understand making a loss investing in the future but £2 million :shock:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/44793394


Budgeting for a loss is nothing too unusual for many businesses, especially when they operate on a cyclical level of income (ie, lack of revenue from not staging home internationals) and as long as this is preceded and/or followed by a profitable year then, there is no problem.
However, the write off regarding Odsal is far more interesting.
Should this be put down as being as business decision or, is this in fact giving advantage to an individual club ?
I'm sure that the Bulls fans would say that it's part of the deal but, if so, it's just another shocking decision by the RFL to take on the lease for Odsal.
Also, I wonder just how much they are paying in rent to their landlord (The RFL) ?
snowie wrote:
can someone explain to me how you can budget for a loss above £2 million in a business, seems crazy to me, I understand making a loss investing in the future but £2 million :shock:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/44793394


Budgeting for a loss is nothing too unusual for many businesses, especially when they operate on a cyclical level of income (ie, lack of revenue from not staging home internationals) and as long as this is preceded and/or followed by a profitable year then, there is no problem.
However, the write off regarding Odsal is far more interesting.
Should this be put down as being as business decision or, is this in fact giving advantage to an individual club ?
I'm sure that the Bulls fans would say that it's part of the deal but, if so, it's just another shocking decision by the RFL to take on the lease for Odsal.
Also, I wonder just how much they are paying in rent to their landlord (The RFL) ?

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bellycouldtackle, Borderboy, Cheese Sandwich, FOREVERTRIN, Khlav Kalash, poplar cats alive, Trinity 61 and 350 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Wakefield Trinity


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
11m
Film game
Boss Hog
4341
17m
Play-off semi-final
poplar cats
104
17m
TV Games - Not Hull
BP1
3037
23m
Championship Play Off Final
Borderboy
32
34m
TV games not Wire
karetaker
3647
38m
Comparison with Wigan 17
Fantastic Mr
19
43m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40238
45m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62680
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Clearwing
116
Recent
Burgess
Mark_P1973
21
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
17s
Championship Play Off Final
Borderboy
32
18s
Play-off Semi Final Toulouse A
Bullseye
45
18s
Thompson
MrMatt
14
24s
Film game
Boss Hog
4341
34s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40238
35s
Planning for next season
Leyther in n
136
37s
Harry Smith
MrMatt
13
43s
Twix wrappers
[Gareth]
5
44s
SL CHAT THREAD OTHER TEAMS GAMES
YosemiteSam
168
52s
Trinity Into Play Off Final After Battle With York
FIL
2
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Hunslet Secure Promotion After Defeating Swinton
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Trinity Into Play Off Final After Battle With York
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Thompson
MrMatt
14
TODAY
Comparison with Wigan 17
Fantastic Mr
19
TODAY
Crowd Funding
jbuzza
5
TODAY
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
3
TODAY
Twix wrappers
[Gareth]
5
TODAY
Burgess
Mark_P1973
21
TODAY
5 hours
NickyKiss
6
TODAY
Harry Smith
MrMatt
13
TODAY
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champions Again in 2024
rollin thund
2
TODAY
New signings
Fartown58
4
TODAY
OTish betting on the championship
Dutch Bull
3
TODAY
Championship Promotion Final
GeoffRoebuck
1
TODAY
Hull Kingston Rovers
Deeeekos
3
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity Hear the Roar
Trinity_lurc
7
TODAY
SL Grand Final
Eastern Wild
9
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos documentary
christopher
1
TODAY
Grand Final
matt_wire
5
TODAY
Terrace wear
retrosports
5
TODAY
OT Rohan Smith -
Trebor1
3
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
140
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
374
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
254
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
730
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
899
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
651
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
755
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
780
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1153
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
1246
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1588
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1735
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1528
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1884
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1710
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 13th Oct
CH 30 Swinton10-6Hunslet
CH30 Wakefield22-13York
CH 30 Toulouse21-20Bradford
Sat 12th Oct
SL 30 Hull KR2-9Wigan
Sun 6th Oct
L1 26 Keighley6-20Hunslet
CH 29 Bradford25-12Featherstone
WSL2024 16 York V18-8St.HelensW
NRL 31 Melbourne6-14Penrith
Sat 5th Oct
CH 29 York27-10Widnes
SL 29 Wigan38-0Leigh
Fri 4th Oct
SL 29 Hull KR10-8Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
11m
Film game
Boss Hog
4341
17m
Play-off semi-final
poplar cats
104
17m
TV Games - Not Hull
BP1
3037
23m
Championship Play Off Final
Borderboy
32
34m
TV games not Wire
karetaker
3647
38m
Comparison with Wigan 17
Fantastic Mr
19
43m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40238
45m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62680
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Clearwing
116
Recent
Burgess
Mark_P1973
21
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
17s
Championship Play Off Final
Borderboy
32
18s
Play-off Semi Final Toulouse A
Bullseye
45
18s
Thompson
MrMatt
14
24s
Film game
Boss Hog
4341
34s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40238
35s
Planning for next season
Leyther in n
136
37s
Harry Smith
MrMatt
13
43s
Twix wrappers
[Gareth]
5
44s
SL CHAT THREAD OTHER TEAMS GAMES
YosemiteSam
168
52s
Trinity Into Play Off Final After Battle With York
FIL
2
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Hunslet Secure Promotion After Defeating Swinton
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Trinity Into Play Off Final After Battle With York
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Thompson
MrMatt
14
TODAY
Comparison with Wigan 17
Fantastic Mr
19
TODAY
Crowd Funding
jbuzza
5
TODAY
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
3
TODAY
Twix wrappers
[Gareth]
5
TODAY
Burgess
Mark_P1973
21
TODAY
5 hours
NickyKiss
6
TODAY
Harry Smith
MrMatt
13
TODAY
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champions Again in 2024
rollin thund
2
TODAY
New signings
Fartown58
4
TODAY
OTish betting on the championship
Dutch Bull
3
TODAY
Championship Promotion Final
GeoffRoebuck
1
TODAY
Hull Kingston Rovers
Deeeekos
3
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity Hear the Roar
Trinity_lurc
7
TODAY
SL Grand Final
Eastern Wild
9
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos documentary
christopher
1
TODAY
Grand Final
matt_wire
5
TODAY
Terrace wear
retrosports
5
TODAY
OT Rohan Smith -
Trebor1
3
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
140
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
374
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
254
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
730
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
899
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
651
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
755
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
780
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1153
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
1246
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1588
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1735
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1528
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1884
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1710


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!