No scrums ! : Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:07 pm  

I know we are all aware of the ommision of scrums as per the NRL, in the NRL games there are still some scrums, but in the super league there will be NONE !
That in mind the, it's simply a hand over or tap, the game is going to be very fast with little stoppages other than injuries or doctors topping the game ?
Therefore the games will be full on & very little chance of players catching their breath ! If a player tries to rest they will be a weakness, in particular forwards & props after 20 mins !

Re: No scrums ! : Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:48 pm  

TrinTrin wrote: I know we are all aware of the ommision of scrums as per the NRL, in the NRL games there are still some scrums, but in the super league there will be NONE ! That in mind the, it's simply a hand over or tap, the game is going to be very fast with little stoppages other than injuries or doctors topping the game ? Therefore the games will be full on & very little chance of players catching their breath ! If a player tries to rest they will be a weakness, in particular forwards & props after 20 mins ! Apparently there will be a brief break with the shot clock on..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/53607897

TrinTrin wrote: I know we are all aware of the ommision of scrums as per the NRL, in the NRL games there are still some scrums, but in the super league there will be NONE ! That in mind the, it's simply a hand over or tap, the game is going to be very fast with little stoppages other than injuries or doctors topping the game ? Therefore the games will be full on & very little chance of players catching their breath ! If a player tries to rest they will be a weakness, in particular forwards & props after 20 mins ! Apparently there will be a brief break with the shot clock on..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/53607897

Re: No scrums ! : Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:43 am  

There have been no scrums for 20 years, they are a farce, getting rid permanently would be a good thing. Don’t get me wrong I like scrums but if you not going to take them even remotely serious then why bother.

Re: No scrums ! : Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:43 pm  

vastman wrote:

There have been no scrums for 20 years, they are a farce, getting rid permanently would be a good thing. Don’t get me wrong I like scrums but if you not going to take them even remotely serious then why bother.

Disagree, vasty. If anything I would love to see competitive scrums return to the game. They were an integral part of the game with their own particular skill requirements and hooker was a specialist role. It was only that referees couldn't police the scrums correctly and started to allow "own feet feeding" to creep into the game. Ok, they did tend to slow the game slightly, but a well fought scrum used to be an essential part of the game.

Re: No scrums ! : Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:03 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Disagree, vasty. If anything I would love to see competitive scrums return to the game. They were an integral part of the game with their own particular skill requirements and hooker was a specialist role. It was only that referees couldn't police the scrums correctly and started to allow "own feet feeding" to creep into the game. Ok, they did tend to slow the game slightly, but a well fought scrum used to be an essential part of the game.

Then you agree with me! That’s my point, scrums are great but only if they are done properly.. what we have now is worse than no scrums at all, hence why I think we might as well get rid. Would be a shame but as the saying goes, if it’s not worth doing properly then it’s not worth doing alt all, that’s how I see it.

On a wider note it all part of the cheapening of RL to suit TV. Sometimes RL can appear to be more like wrestling from the seventies than a real sport. It’s wrong but to a wider audience that’s how it looks. Silly club names, gimmicky rubbish like the shot clock and pointless ego trips like Toronto. Say what you like about RU they have avoided the worst excesses and to a RU fan the fundamentals have stayed the same. Seems to work for them.

Re: No scrums ! : Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:30 pm  

You only have to see who packs down in a scrum - wingers, full backs etc to see they are a total joke.
They are nothing more than a tactical set piece and should be done properly or scrapped.

Re: No scrums ! : Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:52 pm  

[quote="vastman"]Then you agree with me! That’s my point, scrums are great but only if they are done properly.. what we have now is worse than no scrums at all, hence why I think we might as well get rid. Would be a shame but as the saying goes, if it’s not worth doing properly then it’s not worth doing alt all, that’s how I see it.

On a wider note it all part of the cheapening of RL to suit TV. Sometimes RL can appear to be more like wrestling from the seventies than a real sport. It’s wrong but to a wider audience that’s how it looks. Silly club names, gimmicky rubbish like the shot clock and pointless ego trips like Toronto. Say what you like about RU they have avoided the worst excesses and to a RU fan the fundamentals have stayed the same. Seems to work for them.[/quote


Certainly we agree with the attributes of the old scrum and how important it was to the game, but we disagree in the point that whereas you would wish to see it done away with I would like to see the competitive scrum reinstated and properly controlled by the referee. I certainly agree with all the other points that you mention. You certainly see instances today when a player that should be packing down ( as 1315 says, probably a winger), but instead he just hangs around the scrum looking as though he's part of it.

Re: No scrums ! : Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:44 am  

My memory of contested scrums is one of constant scrum re-sets, collapses and penalties, and that they were messy, scruffy affairs. Perhaps the lack of flankers makes them more susceptible to being messy, because the flanker locks them all together somehow, but I'm not sure I want to see any return to blokes ending up in a heap all the way through the game.

So, if they're not going to be contested, I don't have a huge problem with them going. Because of the speed of the play now, they break up so quickly they are largely irrelevant.

The question to ask is this: does a rugby league scrum add anything to the game? I would say no, other than making it look more like rugby.

Re: No scrums ! : Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:08 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

My memory of contested scrums is one of constant scrum re-sets, collapses and penalties, and that they were messy, scruffy affairs. Perhaps the lack of flankers makes them more susceptible to being messy, because the flanker locks them all together somehow, but I'm not sure I want to see any return to blokes ending up in a heap all the way through the game.

So, if they're not going to be contested, I don't have a huge problem with them going. Because of the speed of the play now, they break up so quickly they are largely irrelevant.

The question to ask is this: does a rugby league scrum add anything to the game? I would say no, other than making it look more like rugby.

the scrumaging over the game does take it's toll and squads with bigger packs generally does deplete the oppositions strength added to a good hooker that can scoop out the ball so yes I would say it did play a role in the game, it doesn't now as they can't even be bothered to even resemble anything like it now and to a newbie would look on and wonder what the hell is going on

Re: No scrums ! : Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:34 am  

Lets ve honest even in RU if you put the ball in you get it out.