Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:07 pm  

Big lads mate wrote:

I’m not putting names Mopsey but you must agree that some out there are going through the motions over the recent games and could and should be doing better, wether that’s fitness, not playing for the coach or disgruntled with something else I don’t know.

Collectively the team is a shambles in every position on the field, they are unorganised and have shown no improvement in months, which players if any have kicked on to better things. It simply can’t go on our game plan from minute one is abysmal in fact some of our players look like they don’t know how to play. IMO this coach as taken this team as far as he can he’s getting nothing out of them and publicly humiliating them with idiot comments like there moving out of the way. If you noticed the first try yesterday we had the numbers and it was just woeful defence, Quite simply we Can’t defend and that is either poor technique or fitness. This coach is making GOOD players look bad

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:22 pm  

That first try is a prime example of what chezzy was eluding to in his post match interview

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:32 pm  

I’ve posted on numerous occasions about our defence.
Too many of the players don’t know how to work to a defensive system (if there is one), they’re not fit, strong or committed enough to win collisions consistently and they’re not fit enough to work as hard as you need to meaning some are stood still when they should be pushing out from the play the ball.

Our edge defenders are left with overlaps developing against them and they don’t know how to deal with it. They can’t discern when they need to jam in as a pair to kill an overlap or when to slide and let their inside defenders work across and help and perhaps most crucially they have no concept of folding a little and giving ground to their opposition so as to let the overlap develop and force the ball carrier to make a decision.

IMO team performances are built on defence, get it right and you win or deny momentum to your favour and the game is more now than ever decided by who owns the momentum during the match.

Attitude and commitment is key, as is communication but all are undermined by lack of understanding of the system or the absence of a system.

We’ve been a prime example of how not to defend apart from the one season when Kear had the defensive coaching duties

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:34 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

That first try is a prime example of what chezzy was eluding to in his post match interview

Chezzy is absolutely clueless, so players just take it on themselves to move out of the way, totally clueless for years how to defend our line, poor reads by the players is not moving out of the way, he should be ashamed of himself with that idiotic comment, basically saying they are bottlers

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:46 pm  

To be fair to chester though our defence on both edges has been porous for about the last ten years and it doesnt matter who weve put there hasnt made a blind bit of difference as a wakey fan could you honestly say if we were 20 up at home with 20 minures to go you were confident we still wouldnt throw game away i couldnt

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:15 pm  

Alchemist1 wrote:

To be fair to chester though our defence on both edges has been porous for about the last ten years and it doesnt matter who weve put there hasnt made a blind bit of difference as a wakey fan could you honestly say if we were 20 up at home with 20 minures to go you were confident we still wouldnt throw game away i couldnt

To be fair to Chester that's why he was brought to the club to stop the rot, your last sentence sums it all up about you the man and his tactics, no confidence.

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:09 pm  

little wayne69 wrote:

Well tell him then, what's obvious to you is not necessarily obvious to others.

OK then its obvious to me - and apparently others.....
....But I will not bad mouth players on here - unlike some posters.

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:22 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

OK then its obvious to me - and apparently others.....
....But I will not bad mouth players on here - unlike some posters.

Agreed, I think it is completely unfair to single out players when as Mopsey quite rightly points out they are collectively dreadful as a team at this moment in time.

Chester seemed happy to throw players under the bus, something that seems to have been creeping in in recent weeks, I think this is a reflection technique as he is completely out of his depth. It was only last week that he was "Proud of the lads for having a go" when they lost against half a Hull team... All of the things he addresses as not good enough ultimately all lie with him as the coach, whether you like it or not that is a fact - He has the responsibility for that.

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:08 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

If it’s down to money, then I think the majority of Trinity players would be in for a shock if they think there are clubs out there waiting to sign them up and pay bigger a bigger wage. Some club CEOs have been saying for months now, that come the off season, there could be up to 60 SL players without a club. If I was a player, I know I’d be putting in the effort to retain my team place. Our own club CEO is on record saying a few months ago during the wage reduction talks, , he won’t forget those who made things more difficult at that time. If the worst does come to the Trinity club, it certainly wouldn’t be MCs fault.

That works both ways though. You can argue that the players should show him some respect, but how much respect has he shown the players?

Nobody could blame Carter for trying to safeguard the finances of his club but they can, in my view fairly, critique how he has gone about it.

If I remember rightly, Wakefield were one of the last clubs to agree a post-COVID pay deal, doing so against the backdrop of an unnamed player suggesting industrial action and Carter glibly dismissing the concerns of another who felt compelled to take a second job during lockdown? I also remember Carter making some questionable social media posts on the day of the player's union social media campaign and about people on furlough (despite most of his staff at the time being on the scheme) and, as you mention, the sinister "we will remember" remark. I honestly wouldn't blame anyone for not having the motivation to work for someone like that.

Yes, I get that professionalism and certain expectations to "get on with it" comes into it but if at the same time, you're not prepared to show respect to your employees, you have to accept that comes with consequences.

If there has been a breakdown in trust and the relationship between the players and the club management, Carter absolutely has to take responsibility for that.

Re: There comes a time. : Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:17 pm  

Big lads mate wrote:

I’m not putting names Mopsey but you must agree that some out there are going through the motions over the recent games and could and should be doing better, wether that’s fitness, not playing for the coach or disgruntled with something else I don’t know.

Must be annoying seeing your lad work his balls off(seen his stats) while others are in a word lazy i get it at junior level so can only imagine its worse at the highest