Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 8:29 am  

Kettykat wrote:

Coco you can churn out all the data you want from the very beginning if you want but that only tells half a story .The players we have at our disposal are far better equipped to produce a much better standard of rugby than ever their predecessors were .Diet ,fitness ,conditioning,full time ,and yet what I see is a team lacking at times the very basic core skills of RL, which is seen all over the north on a weekend from professional to amateur . If people are happy to see players week in week out making silly unforced errors and blame it on them been of poor quality ,get out and watch some amateur games and see the quality they produce on a regular basis . I truly hope we pull through this ,but to put the blame squarely on our supposedly average players and not to a big part on the coaching set up truly baffles me .

But the players that other teams have are also better equipped and in most cases training in much better facilities than we are.
That's not me making excuses for our team, as I do think that there are some very basic elements that we are not doing right but you can't expect us to suddenly change the long term averages because the payers are now full-time and better equipped without looking at how other teams have also improved their standards.

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 10:08 am  

So teams like cas have better facilities than us sorry carnt accept that as a reason.

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 5:27 pm  

atomic wrote:

Ask yourself should you be equal with Leigh? What a comical comment that is..

Ask yourself this, do you ever think before you post.

We have two internationals and a player who not so long ago was the best prop in SL. We have also been in SL for twenty years.

There is nothing comical about it we should be way above Leigh. We are not. I’m not laughing.

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 5:34 pm  

CC biggest problem is that Lady Luck has not just deserted him but is now spitting in his face.

He may not be a good enough coach to lead us to the promised land but any reasonable person would admit that with a bit of luck he’d look a lot safer than he does now.

Unless his luck changes he has to be sacked. Not his fault and it’s brutal but that is the nature of the game.

The difference on here is that most want his luck to change and would be happy to see him stay, I’m one.

Others just want to be proved right and would be distraught if the lad turned it around.

These people hide behind the I only say it because I love the club, they don’t they are just unpleasant individuals in my opinion.

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 6:35 pm  

He has been lucky because at any other club he would have been relieved of his duties a long time ago. I want the team to win and thrive however I do not believe Chester is the coach to do it. It does not make me any less a supporter because I think the answer is to replace whilst others want the status quo to continue in the hope we finally reach that corner.

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 6:47 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

He has been lucky because at any other club he would have been relieved of his duties a long time ago. I want the team to win and thrive however I do not believe Chester is the coach to do it. It does not make me any less a supporter because I think the answer is to replace whilst others want the status quo to continue in the hope we finally reach that corner.

Right on cue the exact type of person I was referring to. You never fail to show yourself up.

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 6:52 pm  

vastman wrote:

CC biggest problem is that Lady Luck has not just deserted him but is now spitting in his face.

He may not be a good enough coach to lead us to the promised land but any reasonable person would admit that with a bit of luck he’d look a lot safer than he does now.

Unless his luck changes he has to be sacked. Not his fault and it’s brutal but that is the nature of the game.

The difference on here is that most want his luck to change and would be happy to see him stay, I’m one.

Others just want to be proved right and would be distraught if the lad turned it around.

These people hide behind the I only say it because I love the club, they don’t they are just unpleasant individuals in my opinion.

I don't think you really believe this statement yourself, vasty. The posts against CC seem to outweigh the "for" posts considerably.
An additional X on Thursdays ballot sheet would illustrate this point, I'm sure.

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 7:03 pm  

vastman wrote:

CC biggest problem is that Lady Luck has not just deserted him but is now spitting in his face.

He may not be a good enough coach to lead us to the promised land but any reasonable person would admit that with a bit of luck he’d look a lot safer than he does now.

Unless his luck changes he has to be sacked. Not his fault and it’s brutal but that is the nature of the game.

The difference on here is that most want his luck to change and would be happy to see him stay, I’m one.

Others just want to be proved right and would be distraught if the lad turned it around.

These people hide behind the I only say it because I love the club, they don’t they are just unpleasant individuals in my opinion.

Vasty, I am rooting for Chester to turn it around, I really am, I don`t think it will happen but it might.

That said, even if he does, I still think that it`s time for a change for the club regardless of how this season goes, we have been talking about a long term strategy/direction for the last 5 years and we have actually gone backwards.

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 9:07 pm  

On the basis of pre and aftermatch interviews, to me, even CC doesn't seem to have the confidence or belief that he can turn it around.

I've just been listening to the DABV pod cast with Jason Demetriou and the 2006 season. For those last 6 games, they was an absolute refusal that all the squad bought into that relegation was not an option, that it wasn't going to happen on their watch, and it bloody well showed. The squad was the same squad that had been performing well under par all season and a change was the catalyst to resolve that mindset and drive the players on.

I can't shake the feeling that there is an air of inevitability at the club that we are heading in one direction, and it's not upwards. Even if we survive this year, we're staring down the same barrel next season

Re: There is no shame or self pride. : Tue May 04, 2021 9:52 pm  

vastman wrote:

CC biggest problem is that Lady Luck has not just deserted him but is now spitting in his face.

He may not be a good enough coach to lead us to the promised land but any reasonable person would admit that with a bit of luck he’d look a lot safer than he does now.

Unless his luck changes he has to be sacked. Not his fault and it’s brutal but that is the nature of the game.

The difference on here is that most want his luck to change and would be happy to see him stay, I’m one.

Others just want to be proved right and would be distraught if the lad turned it around.

These people hide behind the I only say it because I love the club, they don’t they are just unpleasant individuals in my opinion.

He has been unlucky with injuries i agree although if the season continues with injuries can 3 years of injuries all be down to luck...but other things isnt all bad luck like recruitment and retentions these have been poor really poor example bishop( yes he was offered deal but not as good contract)leaviing but resigning of kershaw and the signing of kaye..then signings such as a walker n gigot or letting naverette and koppy go but keeping green and tangata there is others but sure you get my point..then add to this getting an extra coach in last to help him using player budget money to finance that .this isnt bad luck.

Lets hope he can finally make a decent signing(like kelepi) with the AF money and pull us out of this poop as in an ideal world this is what we want.