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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:27 pm  

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Hi DeeHell, I fear you are right, who the hell would employ any person with a record of failure he has, not even a team below the championship ! In fact they would be mad to, but I repeat he is a decent person, I have no wish to kick a man when he is down, but,
He should not preside over ruination of the club before it goes too far !!
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:37 pm  

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Chester seems a decent person and has certainly had some challenges on the injury front.

However, his record is simply not good enough to earn him a new deal and puts his current position in question.

I don’t think it’s in question that his reign at Wakefield is over. I think it’s just a matter of when. Even Carter must see that the results point to the face a change is needed.

I have no doubt Chester will want to leave on a high though. I do think we have been improving and I do believe we are not far away from picking up that first win.
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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:43 pm  
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If he was a man of honour he would resign for the good of the club, to at least give them some chance of survival.
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Sat May 01, 2021 8:26 am  

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And what %of blame do you put on the club who constantly set the budget. We shipped ou quite a number of players and brought 2 in, now that's shameless.
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Sat May 01, 2021 9:51 am  
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And what %of blame do you put on the club who constantly set the budget. We shipped ou quite a number of players and brought 2 in, now that's shameless.


The fans, sponsors and Sky set the budget.
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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Sat May 01, 2021 10:09 am  

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Can i just ask what you want fans to be positive about..i dont agree with players coaches been slagged off and abused thats not right but fans have a right to be negative and unhappy we have a win record of somthing like 8 in 43 we have lost our last 8 games v sl opposition in a row dont understand how you expect fans not to be negative. We are in serious danger of relagation is that positive


The problem is, fans seem to think we should be better, but the team that is able to get our on the field is capable of 8 wins in however many we are now.
I'm seeing a team trying to do their best in difficult circumstances. I'm prepared to support them through that.

We just went toe to toe with a top team sporting a man of steel, Australian international still in their prime and a number of other internationals.
Our team had two debutant who can't get into another super league side, a fullback at stand off and two wingers that if we had a choice wouldn't be playing.

I support that kind of endeavour and can look passed the score to see what is happening. As can others it would appear from the reactions to the negative posts.
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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Sat May 01, 2021 10:32 am  

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The problem is, fans seem to think we should be better, but the team that is able to get our on the field is capable of 8 wins in however many we are now.
I'm seeing a team trying to do their best in difficult circumstances. I'm prepared to support them through that.

We just went toe to toe with a top team sporting a man of steel, Australian international still in their prime and a number of other internationals.
Our team had two debutant who can't get into another super league side, a fullback at stand off and two wingers that if we had a choice wouldn't be playing.

I support that kind of endeavour and can look passed the score to see what is happening. As can others it would appear from the reactions to the negative posts.


Thing is I get what you are saying, and there is some merit in what you are saying, but......we have now in all of the games, been in with a chance of winning at around the 55/60 minute mark, and won none, not once have we been dominant in the final quarter of games. You seem to hang everything on whose missing for us and who plays for the opposition etc. Let's not forget those 1st 3 games, we had Miller, TJ, Tupou, Ashurst, not to mention Fifita, Arona etc who people said before they were massive losses and the reason of poor form previously. Because this just goes on and on, it seems it doesn't matter what the personnel is and what positions they play, it remains the same outcome, that is probably what p****s people off the most! We can't just think that when we play Salford, Leigh, Hudds etc we will win automatically, it doesn't work like that, we just aren't ruthless enough when presented with opportunities against any opposition, we had enough possession and territory against Hull last week to win 3 games! No-one in my opinion has actually played that great against us so far, the first 10 mins. of the 2nd half against Wigan all they did was drop the ball, they completed 1 set out of 5, did we take advantage and at least score 1 or 2 tries? No, because like I said we just aren't ruthless enough, and don't take it for granted that we will be against 'lower opposition' as you put it.
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Sat May 01, 2021 10:48 am  

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Thing is I get what you are saying, and there is some merit in what you are saying, but......we have now in all of the games, been in with a chance of winning at around the 55/60 minute mark, and won none, not once have we been dominant in the final quarter of games. You seem to hang everything on whose missing for us and who plays for the opposition etc. Let's not forget those 1st 3 games, we had Miller, TJ, Tupou, Ashurst, not to mention Fifita, Arona etc who people said before they were massive losses and the reason of poor form previously. Because this just goes on and on, it seems it doesn't matter what the personnel is and what positions they play, it remains the same outcome, that is probably what p****s people off the most! We can't just think that when we play Salford, Leigh, Hudds etc we will win automatically, it doesn't work like that, we just aren't ruthless enough when presented with opportunities against any opposition, we had enough possession and territory against Hull last week to win 3 games! No-one in my opinion has actually played that great against us so far, the first 10 mins. of the 2nd half against Wigan all they did was drop the ball, they completed 1 set out of 5, did we take advantage and at least score 1 or 2 tries? No, because like I said we just aren't ruthless enough, and don't take it for granted that we will be against 'lower opposition' as you put it.



Opposition don't just play badly against us at random. They make mistakes because we are trying hard to stop them.
This is what frustrates me. I accept we are not great and need to improve, but some have got so negative that they can't see anything good in the team, when there is actually lots of good.

Even those games you say we had full strength teams. We didn't have a recognised Hooker and we had key players injured during the game..... Away.... Against the most successful teams in the league.

I don't think people realise what a difference playing away means either.
Trinity Heritage posted a news letter focusing on Wigan.
I was surprised that in our history we are 40 wins and 47 losses to Wigan at Belle Vue. Clearly that takes a lot from the 60s and our successful times. Away we are 13 out of 84. That doesn't include the neutral ground ones either.

I look forward to seeing them at Belle Vue and shouting my support as loud as I can. Win, lose or draw.
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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Sat May 01, 2021 10:53 am  

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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Sat May 01, 2021 10:54 am  

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PopTart wrote:
Opposition don't just play badly against us at random. They make mistakes because we are trying hard to stop them.
This is what frustrates me. I accept we are not great and need to improve, but some have got so negative that they can't see anything good in the team, when there is actually lots of good.

Even those games you say we had full strength teams. We didn't have a recognised Hooker and we had key players injured during the game..... Away.... Against the most successful teams in the league.

I don't think people realise what a difference playing away means either.
Trinity Heritage posted a news letter focusing on Wigan.
I was surprised that in our history we are 40 wins and 47 losses to Wigan at Belle Vue. Clearly that takes a lot from the 60s and our successful times. Away we are 13 out of 84. That doesn't include the neutral ground ones either.

I look forward to seeing them at Belle Vue and shouting my support as loud as I can. Win, lose or draw.


Well let's look at Leigh's squad compared to ours, and look at their performances against Wigan & Saints compared to ours, and look at the final scorelines in those games, then you may get an idea why people are slightly worried and fed up!!!!!
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