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Re: Time to stop it now : Wed May 05, 2021 10:50 am  

It isn't a case of legal semantics.
It comes down to one thing.
How it makes someone feel.

Things like this affect people. You can't get away from that.
Too many people support mental health awareness and post sad emos when someone posts a comment about Caroline Flack and then think they are completely OK to ridicule or attack someone on social media because 'I didn't mean it' or 'it was just a silly comment'.
For you and me we might be able shrug a single comment off, but in a situation like this, they get hundreds or thousands of comments. When you post something like this kid did, it has an affect. It adds to the existing stress, it eggs someone else on to join in or go further.
Worse case you get the Caroline Flack issues where someone's self esteme is so affected that they can't go on.
At a club where we lost a player in Terry Newton purely on how he saw himself and how he perceived other opinions of his mistakes, you'd think we'd be more understanding.

So, I'm no snowflake. I don't think we should never say anything bad about anyone. But I do think you need to understand the consequences of what you do say. And take some responsibility for it.

Re: Time to stop it now : Wed May 05, 2021 11:03 am  

supercat wrote:

In a legal sense there is a big difference and in a court wishing someone dead even if wrote it wouldn’t stand up. Threatening someone directly would.

Yeah but it's not different is it, not morally.

Re: Time to stop it now : Wed May 05, 2021 7:28 pm  

vastman wrote:

:shock: Is there a difference, the outcome would be the bloody same. In my mind wishing someone dead is exactly the same as wanting them killed, whether you wish to do the killing is immaterial. So no you're wrong.

Even if we accept the point, wanting them killed is not a threat to kill is it? No one is saying it's anything other than unacceptable and that Chester doesn't deserve it but they are markedly different. Mindst, I do accept PT's point that ultimately what matters is how it makes someone feel

Re: Time to stop it now : Thu May 06, 2021 8:08 am  

Schunter wrote:

Even if we accept the point, wanting them killed is not a threat to kill is it? No one is saying it's anything other than unacceptable and that Chester doesn't deserve it but they are markedly different. Mindst, I do accept PT's point that ultimately what matters is how it makes someone feel

No, they are not.

Re: Time to stop it now : Thu May 06, 2021 9:40 am  

It's very difficult as with most things that are 'said' to put it into context of the actual situation surrounding a reason behind the words? There was a guy in 2010 I think it was, who was due to fly from Robin Hood airport, but flights were cancelled because of heavy snow, and he sent an email I think it was, basically saying, this is terrible, better get your s**t together, or i'm going to blow up the airport, with lots of exclamation marks. He was convicted, but then had it overturned, as according to whoever, any reasonable person could see he was joking?! Paul Chambers I think his name was, the story can easily be found on the 'net. Now I know that wasn't aimed at an individual, but it gives an idea how it's pretty much impossible to legally do anything about anyone who says, anything?! How many times has anyone said, I could bloody kill you, I told you to get bread and milk on the way home from work?! Yes anyone with half a brain cell can work out it's said in jest, but that's the problem, working out whether someone actually means what they are saying, or doesn't, is taken on the explaining and believing them either way when questioned?? If they say, I didn't mean it, I was only joking, then what?

Re: Time to stop it now : Thu May 06, 2021 9:49 am  

vastman wrote:

No, they are not.

They’re completely different.
Stop arguing just for the sake of it.

Re: Time to stop it now : Thu May 06, 2021 10:39 am  

Kevs Head wrote:

They’re completely different.
Stop arguing just for the sake of it.

Yeah of course they are, how silly of me

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Re: Time to stop it now : Thu May 06, 2021 12:03 pm  

Wildmoggy wrote:

It's very difficult as with most things that are 'said' to put it into context of the actual situation surrounding a reason behind the words? There was a guy in 2010 I think it was, who was due to fly from Robin Hood airport, but flights were cancelled because of heavy snow, and he sent an email I think it was, basically saying, this is terrible, better get your s**t together, or i'm going to blow up the airport, with lots of exclamation marks. He was convicted, but then had it overturned, as according to whoever, any reasonable person could see he was joking?! Paul Chambers I think his name was, the story can easily be found on the 'net. Now I know that wasn't aimed at an individual, but it gives an idea how it's pretty much impossible to legally do anything about anyone who says, anything?! How many times has anyone said, I could bloody kill you, I told you to get bread and milk on the way home from work?! Yes anyone with half a brain cell can work out it's said in jest, but that's the problem, working out whether someone actually means what they are saying, or doesn't, is taken on the explaining and believing them either way when questioned?? If they say, I didn't mean it, I was only joking, then what?

'I was only joking'....... Means I wasn't actually going to go through with it but if you only say that after you've offended/upset/frightened someone then it carries no credibility.

You only say something like that if you want to bother someone. It is never funny to the person you say it to.

Re: Time to stop it now : Thu May 06, 2021 1:31 pm  

vastman wrote:

Yeah of course they are, how silly of me

I'm glad you agree with me.
Perhaps you'll stop posting twaddle now.

Re: Time to stop it now : Thu May 06, 2021 3:57 pm  

Kevs Head wrote:

I'm glad you agree with me.
Perhaps you'll stop posting twaddle now.

Called a difference of opinion, a shame you don't get the concept, fool.