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Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 12:05 pm  

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Yes, the meeting was a bit downbeat, but the important thing is that even if we are relegated this season, MC and JM, will still be here to see the conclusion of the Stadium redevelopment. One of the questions “would the club survive relegation” the answer was Yes, the club is on a sound financial footing,
So, even though things are a bit gloomy at the moment, we will still survive as a club if worse comes to worse.


If we were to get relegated, Trinity would never find their way back into SL, with or without JM and MC.
They have done a magnificent job of turning the club around off the pitch but, lets not pretend that relegation would be anything other than an absolute disaster.
With the proposed "restructure" it may be that our spot in SL is already under threat.

Although accepting that the club mat survive in The Championship, I cant see that we would EVER return to the top flight.

This is nothing new as we have been in this similar position and sometimes worse, for over 25 years

Everything that's happening at the moment, points to us hoping and aiming for an 11th place finish, certainly a (very) risky strategy.

The old saying about "Aim for the stars and you may fall on the roof. Aim for the roof and you may end up on the floor"
We seem to be aiming for just above the skirting board.
Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 12:24 pm  

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If we were to get relegated, Trinity would never find their way back into SL, with or without JM and MC.
They have done a magnificent job of turning the club around off the pitch but, lets not pretend that relegation would be anything other than an absolute disaster.
With the proposed "restructure" it may be that our spot in SL is already under threat.

Although accepting that the club mat survive in The Championship, I cant see that we would EVER return to the top flight.

This is nothing new as we have been in this similar position and sometimes worse, for over 25 years

Everything that's happening at the moment, points to us hoping and aiming for an 11th place finish, certainly a (very) risky strategy.

The old saying about "Aim for the stars and you may fall on the roof. Aim for the roof and you may end up on the floor"
We seem to be aiming for just above the skirting board.


Don't agree. If we do get the stadium upgrade then I see no reason why we won't. That said we could fall into oblivion but that will be down to us.
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Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 1:00 pm  

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Don't agree. If we do get the stadium upgrade then I see no reason why we won't. That said we could fall into oblivion but that will be down to us.


Even with the stadium upgrade, which is not yet a given, coupled with lack of central funding (something that is likely to all but stop, for Championship clubs, for with the new TV deal), coupled with a possible reduction in numbers in SL, it's nigh on impossible to see how we would be able to gain promotion - assuming that it actually remains in place.
Apart from that, I dont see why not, either.
Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 1:16 pm  
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The obvious solution is not to be relegated even if this means being flexible with the finances. The alternative is less central revenue, smaller crowds, loss of players and gambling on a less than guaranteed return to Super League. If we did we would be back to square one and all the good work since our initial promotion will be lost.
We have a chance to stay up, the question is are we willing to do what is necessary to make this a possibility.
Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 1:50 pm  

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Even with the stadium upgrade, which is not yet a given, coupled with lack of central funding (something that is likely to all but stop, for Championship clubs, for with the new TV deal), coupled with a possible reduction in numbers in SL, it's nigh on impossible to see how we would be able to gain promotion - assuming that it actually remains in place.
Apart from that, I dont see why not, either.


That's been the mantra of SL for 25 years yet Salford, HKR, and Leigh are all on life number 2 or 3.

What you are not taking into account is that a re-vamped BV will make Trinity a viable club to develop for a man/woman with cash. The truth is nearly all money men want to invest in on-field success and not floodlights and 4G pitches and a balance sheet, MC is a freak in that respect.

By having no real debt and assuming we get the new stand, much of the hard work will have been done.

If we don't get the upgrade I agree we are pretty much stuffed as anything other than a Championship club. Our only assets are that unlike a lot of Championship teams we do have a very strong local talent pool, reasonable core support, and a fair bit of local business support, especially at that level.

Anyway, let's not go there for now.
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Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 2:49 pm  
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That's been the mantra of SL for 25 years yet Salford, HKR, and Leigh are all on life number 2 or 3.

What you are not taking into account is that a re-vamped BV will make Trinity a viable club to develop for a man/woman with cash. The truth is nearly all money men want to invest in on-field success and not floodlights and 4G pitches and a balance sheet, MC is a freak in that respect.

By having no real debt and assuming we get the new stand, much of the hard work will have been done.

If we don't get the upgrade I agree we are pretty much stuffed as anything other than a Championship club. Our only assets are that unlike a lot of Championship teams we do have a very strong local talent pool, reasonable core support, and a fair bit of local business support, especially at that level.

Anyway, let's not go there for now.
how much more revenue will a new stand generate, would it be based on new supporters filling it or existing ones and others moving from where they stand in the ground. I’m assuming the hospitality will move from Benidorm I’m there, so where will the extra income come from
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Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 2:57 pm  

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how much more revenue will a new stand generate, would it be based on new supporters filling it or existing ones and others moving from where they stand in the ground. I’m assuming the hospitality will move from Benidorm I’m there, so where will the extra income come from


I think the hope is that extra income will come from additional fans (both home and away), who don't currently come to BelleVue because of the facilities.
But the biggest source of additional revenue should come in being able to hire out the facilities and utilise the stadium on more than just 13 occasions throughout the year
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Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 2:57 pm  

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Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
The obvious solution is not to be relegated even if this means being flexible with the finances. The alternative is less central revenue, smaller crowds, loss of players and gambling on a less than guaranteed return to Super League. If we did we would be back to square one and all the good work since our initial promotion will be lost.
We have a chance to stay up, the question is are we willing to do what is necessary to make this a possibility.


So what is this flexibility with finances that you mention every second post?
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Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 3:06 pm  
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We must have some or how can we look to try to sign AF and I guess we have saved from by letting the prop return to Halifax. I doubt signing fringe players on short term loans are a big drain. We also released quite a few at the end of last season and bringing in two.
Re: Hate the doom. Tue May 11, 2021 3:09 pm  

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MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:
how much more revenue will a new stand generate, would it be based on new supporters filling it or existing ones and others moving from where they stand in the ground. I’m assuming the hospitality will move from Benidorm I’m there, so where will the extra income come from


In terms of matchday revenue, the extra revenue created will be modest unless we have a team that can attract fans and fill every seat, a new stand will not magic that.

It will attract a few more fans and will certainly attract better corporate deals. Although there are no boxes in the existing plans there is a restaurant and bar for corporate and premium seating. In a way boxes are not what they were, many businesses like the idea of being part of the main crowd all be it in a certain amount of luxury. so in effect, we will be able to offer both.

However where the real money-making potential exists is what we do with it non-match day, For example, the large meeting room can be rented out, Generally, the rate is about £100 a day and there is a huge market for them, trust me on that. So if we manage to rent it out for say 200 days of the year that's 20k for basically no outlay on our part and it's an all-year-round income stream. Add to that catering for meetings, weddings, parties, evening events, clubs etc that could easily rise to say 500k per season, most of it profit. That would make a huge difference and will make us a true 52 weeks a year business. Or to put it bluntly, it's approx 3-4 top-class players

Finally, less to do with revenue, it will turn the heads of more players, hopefully.

Lastly, to stay in SL we have to have it.
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