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Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 2:28 pm  

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I think we are all aware of that now.
What the stats were pointing out is that not every replacement is better.
If we are to replace Chester, it needs to be a good replacement, otherwise (IMO) we are better fighting it out with what we have.

What the stats point out to me is that we never build off good seasons and just end up back down the bottom tussling it out for survival for one reason or another. There has never been any consistency with our club has there. It’s very frustrating for all our fans id imagine. If we are looking more likely that we will be battling it out with who ever for relegation then the club will simply have to be seen to do something to avoid that.
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Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 2:52 pm  

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What the stats point out to me is that we never build off good seasons and just end up back down the bottom tussling it out for survival for one reason or another. There has never been any consistency with our club has there. It’s very frustrating for all our fans id imagine. If we are looking more likely that we will be battling it out with who ever for relegation then the club will simply have to be seen to do something to avoid that.


I agree.
I think that comes down to investment.
Peaks of success are difficult to turn into sustained success.

I think it was Webster or maybe Agar that said with the team we are able to field, we have to be at our best to win. Other teams can play at 60% and still do it. We can't.
So sustaining that is really difficult. Unless you can improve the overall quality of the team. (and keep them on the pitch)
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Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 3:45 pm  

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I agree.
I think that comes down to investment.
Peaks of success are difficult to turn into sustained success.

I think it was Webster or maybe Agar that said with the team we are able to field, we have to be at our best to win. Other teams can play at 60% and still do it. We can't.
So sustaining that is really difficult. Unless you can improve the overall quality of the team. (and keep them on the pitch)

Yes absolutely, MC has made it no secret how much we spend on players and where we are up to the salary cap, with a lot of teams spending around £1 million more than us ie marquee Players, home ground player exemptions... etc. Investment is clearly key, but you only have to walk around Wakefield centre to realise it’s Probably not coming any time soon in my opinion. Who are the financial backers of Castleford. Been a very good consistent team for a number of years now, hailing from a small town.
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Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 4:09 pm  

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Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 4:24 pm  

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I agree.
I think that comes down to investment.
Peaks of success are difficult to turn into sustained success.

I think it was Webster or maybe Agar that said with the team we are able to field, we have to be at our best to win. Other teams can play at 60% and still do it. We can't.
So sustaining that is really difficult. Unless you can improve the overall quality of the team. (and keep them on the pitch)


Just to put some context behind the investment in the squad point, in June 2018 we were £330,000 under the salary cap of £2.1 million, around 15% in terms of spend against other clubs (A bit further behind those that are paying for marquee players). I don`t have the figures for 2019 but I do know that we are on record as saying we would be spending closer to the cap in 2019 than we would in 2018 so from that you would maybe say we are somewhere near 10% below the cap?

15/16 we were below that and when Smith left Carter said Brian had the most money to work with out of any coach we have had in the SL era for Wakefield Trinity, so over the last few years in terms of squad investment we are the closest we have ever been to the rest of the league.
Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 4:27 pm  

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Surely just an error ???


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Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 5:34 pm  

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Just to put some context behind the investment in the squad point, in June 2018 we were £330,000 under the salary cap of £2.1 million, around 15% in terms of spend against other clubs (A bit further behind those that are paying for marquee players). I don`t have the figures for 2019 but I do know that we are on record as saying we would be spending closer to the cap in 2019 than we would in 2018 so from that you would maybe say we are somewhere near 10% below the cap?

15/16 we were below that and when Smith left Carter said Brian had the most money to work with out of any coach we have had in the SL era for Wakefield Trinity, so over the last few years in terms of squad investment we are the closest we have ever been to the rest of the league.


That doesn't mean the squad is closer. I can remember at least 3 players improving their contracts in that time.
But equally if the money has gone up, the crowds haven't so credit to the club for getting that money through other channels.
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Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 5:39 pm  

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homme vaste wrote:
Just to put some context behind the investment in the squad point, in June 2018 we were £330,000 under the salary cap of £2.1 million, around 15% in terms of spend against other clubs (A bit further behind those that are paying for marquee players). I don`t have the figures for 2019 but I do know that we are on record as saying we would be spending closer to the cap in 2019 than we would in 2018 so from that you would maybe say we are somewhere near 10% below the cap?

15/16 we were below that and when Smith left Carter said Brian had the most money to work with out of any coach we have had in the SL era for Wakefield Trinity, so over the last few years in terms of squad investment we are the closest we have ever been to the rest of the league.

Don’t quote me but I think carter said we are 10% down this year than last.
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Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 6:10 pm  

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How do you define agar has you praise cc ( and rightly so to be fair)for the work he did in 17 and 18 but agar is badly put down but did he not qualify us for play offs
Re: Leigh Tue May 18, 2021 6:19 pm  

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Only once, and that was due to Bradford’s point deductions. We then crashed out of the play offs straight away.
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