Poor future : Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:52 pm  

Well, after today if we cannot afford the players who are leaving for more money ! Then, players of lessor ability & cost means we are indeed a championship team ! Even Toulouse have not lost like this - they try harder, agreed we have won 5 games, we are on target for our usual 6 to 8 games, we rarely win 10 or more games ! For anybody to defend the current situation is not facing up to the truth !

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:33 am  

For me Trin this isn’t about the player’s ability, I would expect a good amateur team to prevent a scoreline like this , it’s about pride and passion ,and for whatever reason they are not only letting themselves down but the club and fans . These are professional players who get payed a dam sight more than the vast majority of folk and all we ask is to be competitive and play with guts and determination. Imo the blame for this debacle lies firmly at the players feet , they get the best of everything afforded to them yet they show contempt for the very people who put them on a pedestal and pay their hard earned money to watch a capitulation like yesterday. Another nail in the fan base coffin and have handed fuel to the fire of the doom and gloomers . They ought to hang their heads in shame , and nothing but a rousing performance against Wigan will go some way to apiece the people who had the belief to go to Salford to watch a Trinity team that should have and could have played a whole lot better .

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:34 am  

TrinTrin wrote:

Well, after today if we cannot afford the players who are leaving for more money ! Then, players of lessor ability & cost means we are indeed a championship team !

Here is the problem. It’s does not equate that being able to afford to pay the players who are leaving more money that we need to replace them with players of lesser ability.

We are paying some players too much, and are paying for making decisions in the past to upgrade contracts.

A salary capped sport especially when you have financial challengers means you have to work smarter with your money.

We need to restructure our salary policy and that is what I believe we are trying to do. This means we have to be smarter in the signings market however we need to go through this pain if we are going to progress long term.

Certain players are expecting upgrades on contracts despite them not providing value for money on their current contracts. We are not a club that can overpay players for what they bring to the table we have consistently done they for the last few years when resigning players.

There are a number of examples but 2 obvious ones are Johnstone and Bill. Both have been and I’m one case potentially are great players but they simply do not bring enough to the table because they are not on the field enough.

Other expensive mistakes such as Gigot we managed to cut lose and then we have the likes of Lineham…shocking decision to bring him in.

I genuinely think the club is now understanding this but sadly it is going to take time to rectify but we are now seeing that shift by making some decisions that are not popular with fans but need to be made for the good of the club if it is to move forward.

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:18 am  

jonh wrote:

Here is the problem. It’s does not equate that being able to afford to pay the players who are leaving more money that we need to replace them with players of lesser ability.
then we have the likes of Lineham…shocking decision to bring him in.

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Well I am glad some people now realise that. However someone thought it was a good idea to hand him a three year deal on very good money. This has been just one in a number massive errors made by the club regarding recruitment. Do you think the club will learn from its mistakes because I have no faith they will.

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

Well I am glad some people now realise that. However someone thought it was a good idea to hand him a three year deal on very good money. This has been just one in a number massive errors made by the club regarding recruitment. Do you think the club will learn from its mistakes because I have no faith they will.

Yes but that's the fault of the Coaching staff. MC makes it clear that apart from the finances it's the coach who does the buying. So this one is Chesters legacy, though tbf Lineman looked OK at Warrington and does have some talent to so let's not pretend we all knew better.

What I now don't get is Poching's insistance on playing him now. WP owes him nothing, he's not his signing so he's well within his rights to not play him, yet he does. It's this I don't get.

We have options, all be them limited. The reason we have options is because almost anyone would do because bar one game Lineham won't tackle, he's a total waste of space.

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:17 pm  

TrinTrin wrote:

Well, after today if we cannot afford the players who are leaving for more money ! Then, players of lessor ability & cost means we are indeed a championship team ! Even Toulouse have not lost like this - they try harder, agreed we have won 5 games, we are on target for our usual 6 to 8 games, we rarely win 10 or more games ! For anybody to defend the current situation is not facing up to the truth !

I had a conversation about this with a pal of mine who said something very similar to your post.
First off, yesterdays result and the manner of it was mickey poor and nobody< i dont think, will say anything different.

However, it's one result and that, with plenty of first choice players missing so, there has to be some context.

Nobody was saying what you are two weeks ago, when we beat Hull FC or Warrington the previous week.

We looked all over the place yesterday but, defensively, we have been generally ok so, you probably put the result down to the change in personnel..

As for recruitment and finances, who knows where we are at but, the last 2 1/2 years will test every club and whilst some can ask their sugar daddy to dig into their stash, we cant and there's no point complaining.

We have to find a way to survive in SL this season (and hopefully a win at Magic will go a long way to securing our top flight status) and then, with the ground improvements etc, we can move forward.

Dont get me wrong, I'm as brassed off as the next man and we shouldn't be watching that "performance" regardless of which 13/17 take the field..

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:29 pm  

Regarding Toulouse, apparently Gadwin Springer has walked out this weekend following a bust-up with the coaching staff. Hopefully there's some more dis-content in the camp too ??
(Sad wishing for such petty things I know, but I will take anything that can potentially benefit us !!)

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:59 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I had a conversation about this with a pal of mine who said something very similar to your post.
First off, yesterdays result and the manner of it was mickey poor and nobody< i dont think, will say anything different.

However, it's one result and that, with plenty of first choice players missing so, there has to be some context.

Nobody was saying what you are two weeks ago, when we beat Hull FC or Warrington the previous week.

We looked all over the place yesterday but, defensively, we have been generally ok so, you probably put the result down to the change in personnel..

As for recruitment and finances, who knows where we are at but, the last 2 1/2 years will test every club and whilst some can ask their sugar daddy to dig into their stash, we cant and there's no point complaining.

We have to find a way to survive in SL this season (and hopefully a win at Magic will go a long way to securing our top flight status) and then, with the ground improvements etc, we can move forward.

Dont get me wrong, I'm as brassed off as the next man and we shouldn't be watching that "performance" regardless of which 13/17 take the field..

Although that’s true we hardly annihilated hull or Warrington who actually look on current form to be the worst teams in the league

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:15 pm  

It's no good keep blaming Chester he didn't make all of the crap signings There have been players arrive since Chester who are not good Minns and Butler and I can't remember who signed Gaskell. Chester used to apologise and now Poaching apologising maybe it's not the coaches that are the problem but the ones pulling the strings.

Re: Poor future : Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:53 pm  

Teltry wrote:

It's no good keep blaming Chester he didn't make all of the crap signings There have been players arrive since Chester who are not good Minns and Butler and I can't remember who signed Gaskell. Chester used to apologise and now Poaching apologising maybe it's not the coaches that are the problem but the ones pulling the strings.

Sorry but he did and I liked Chester.

It's too early to say if Butler or army Dave are poor, though it's not looking great. Minns I just don't get, But Hall has been a gem.

However the point is not who WP has signed but the fact that Hood, Lineham and above all Gaskell will have robbed Poching of any serious budget to buy players. Hence we've had to sign gamble player, Minns has not payed off, Butler and Army Dave are still on probation, Whitebread is going well and Hall has been the bargain of the century (well this season). So Poching signing wise has done ok with the money he's got.