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Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:27 pm  

KevW60349 wrote:

PT, what's the max total number of IMG points available to us on the results side of things in the championship.

So......this is how it works

Each year you get points for your league position.
We got 2.77 last year for finishing 12th. It starts at 4 for top and reduces by 0.11 each position.
Additionally, the league final position is judged after playoffs, so if you finish second, or 14th if in Championship, but win the grand final, you are judged as position 1 (or 13th). Same for 2nd 3rd 4th etc.

Then, you get an extra 0.25 for winning GF. So final league position isn't as important as winning through the playoffs.

THEN (sorry I said it was complicated)
Your league score for last 3 years are added together to get an average.

Ours are currently
2023 - 2.779
2022 - 3.001
2021 - 3.001

The new score for 2024 will replace 2021.
The sum divided by 3 to get the average.

Then all those averages are put into a new table order and if anyone has changed positions, the new numbers are allocated, with 4 for top and reduced again by 0.111

So, on the last scores, over 3 years, we were 12th, so got 2.78 points.

No-one above us can fall lower than 12. Only Toulouse can get above us.

So to answer the original question, the answer is, we need to do better than Toulouse.
If we win GF then we've nothing to worry about. If we lose in the GF to Toulouse we will just fall below them on the Performance points...... unless we win the 1895 Cup, then we'd be above again.

It's quite tight. Primary goal, be better on the field than Toulouse.

People saying league position doesn't matter are not correct. Of course there are other factors to decide if we make SL, but the points on offer for GF and 1895 are a big impact as only 1 team can get each of the points

Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:15 pm  

PopTart wrote:

So......this is how it works

Each year you get points for your league position.
We got 2.77 last year for finishing 12th. It starts at 4 for top and reduces by 0.11 each position.
Additionally, the league final position is judged after playoffs, so if you finish second, or 14th if in Championship, but win the grand final, you are judged as position 1 (or 13th). Same for 2nd 3rd 4th etc.

Then, you get an extra 0.25 for winning GF. So final league position isn't as important as winning through the playoffs.

THEN (sorry I said it was complicated)
Your league score for last 3 years are added together to get an average.

Ours are currently
2023 - 2.779
2022 - 3.001
2021 - 3.001

The new score for 2024 will replace 2021.
The sum divided by 3 to get the average.

Then all those averages are put into a new table order and if anyone has changed positions, the new numbers are allocated, with 4 for top and reduced again by 0.111

So, on the last scores, over 3 years, we were 12th, so got 2.78 points.

No-one above us can fall lower than 12. Only Toulouse can get above us.

So to answer the original question, the answer is, we need to do better than Toulouse.
If we win GF then we've nothing to worry about. If we lose in the GF to Toulouse we will just fall below them on the Performance points...... unless we win the 1895 Cup, then we'd be above again.

It's quite tight. Primary goal, be better on the field than Toulouse.

People saying league position doesn't matter are not correct. Of course there are other factors to decide if we make SL, but the points on offer for GF and 1895 are a big impact as only 1 team can get each of the points

Thanks for this PT.

Very useful information very well put.

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Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:45 pm  

Actually, I didn't answer the specific question.
Max number of points we can get is
2.78 for league position
0.25 for GF win
0.1 for 1895

Giving us a max of 3.13 out of a max of 5.
Which is above the points 9th place in SL gets (assuming they don't win CC)

Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:05 pm  

Not sure of your maths there PT 'cos we got 12.52 points + 3.13 (best case scenario, I know) =15.65 which is a Grade A and would put us 6th according to this table (or have I missed something ??)... https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ra ... e-a-status

Not sure of your maths there PT 'cos we got 12.52 points + 3.13 (best case scenario, I know) =15.65 which is a Grade A and would put us 6th according to this table (or have I missed something ??)... https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ra ... e-a-status

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Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:07 pm  

FIL wrote: Not sure of your maths there PT 'cos we got 12.52 points + 3.13 (best case scenario, I know) =15.65 which is a Grade A and would put us 6th according to this table (or have I missed something ??)... https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ra ... e-a-status That's a list of our total points across all categories. I was referring to the Performance section of that number. Last year we got 2.78 in the performance section to take us to that total of 12.52. If we got the max 3.13 by winning everything we would improve our score by 0.35. If nothing else changed we'd be on 12.87. When you think we probably get an extra point for the new stand it would put us as the highest B. Of course others are improving too.

FIL wrote: Not sure of your maths there PT 'cos we got 12.52 points + 3.13 (best case scenario, I know) =15.65 which is a Grade A and would put us 6th according to this table (or have I missed something ??)... https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ra ... e-a-status That's a list of our total points across all categories. I was referring to the Performance section of that number. Last year we got 2.78 in the performance section to take us to that total of 12.52. If we got the max 3.13 by winning everything we would improve our score by 0.35. If nothing else changed we'd be on 12.87. When you think we probably get an extra point for the new stand it would put us as the highest B. Of course others are improving too.

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Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:16 pm  

I'll move all this to another thread when I get chance as this should really be about Duel reg.
Happy to discuss it though.

Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:09 pm  

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So......this is how it works

Each year you get points for your league position.
We got 2.77 last year for finishing 12th. It starts at 4 for top and reduces by 0.11 each position.
Additionally, the league final position is judged after playoffs, so if you finish second, or 14th if in Championship, but win the grand final, you are judged as position 1 (or 13th). Same for 2nd 3rd 4th etc.

Then, you get an extra 0.25 for winning GF. So final league position isn't as important as winning through the playoffs.

THEN (sorry I said it was complicated)
Your league score for last 3 years are added together to get an average.

Ours are currently
2023 - 2.779
2022 - 3.001
2021 - 3.001

The new score for 2024 will replace 2021.
The sum divided by 3 to get the average.

Then all those averages are put into a new table order and if anyone has changed positions, the new numbers are allocated, with 4 for top and reduced again by 0.111

So, on the last scores, over 3 years, we were 12th, so got 2.78 points.

No-one above us can fall lower than 12. Only Toulouse can get above us.

So to answer the original question, the answer is, we need to do better than Toulouse.
If we win GF then we've nothing to worry about. If we lose in the GF to Toulouse we will just fall below them on the Performance points...... unless we win the 1895 Cup, then we'd be above again.

It's quite tight. Primary goal, be better on the field than Toulouse.

People saying league position doesn't matter are not correct. Of course there are other factors to decide if we make SL, but the points on offer for GF and 1895 are a big impact as only 1 team can get each of the points

Looking at a sort of worse-case scenario for us next season, does that mean that if somehow we don't win the Championship and Toulouse somehow does, as long as we finish in 2nd say and lose the 1895 final, will that still make us one of the IMG top 12, making us qualify for SL. If Leigh has another decent year they'd overtake us, if not already for the CC win, and then there's Cas and the supposed wrong score they sent in or whatever it was. If they say finish 10th in SL for example and pick up other small gains like we have and are gonna do like LED advertising boards etc, could they overtake us if we don't win the lot or at least win the League and final Man the different scenarios and outcomes although our part of it doiesn't include too many clubs, it's enough to give you a headache.

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Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:15 pm  

Shifty Cat wrote:

Looking at a sort of worse-case scenario for us next season, does that mean that if somehow we don't win the Championship and Toulouse somehow does, as long as we finish in 2nd say and lose the 1895 final, will that still make us one of the IMG top 12, making us qualify for SL. If Leigh has another decent year they'd overtake us, if not already for the CC win, and then there's Cas and the supposed wrong score they sent in or whatever it was. If they say finish 10th in SL for example and pick up other small gains like we have and are gonna do like LED advertising boards etc, could they overtake us if we don't win the lot or at least win the League and final Man the different scenarios and outcomes although our part of it doiesn't include too many clubs, it's enough to give you a headache.

Well yes, but remember we have at least an extra point because the new stand wasn't considered in the last assessment.
And probably a bit more in finance section.

So it puts us in a good position.

Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:16 am  

PopTart wrote:

So......this is how it works

Each year you get points for your league position.
We got 2.77 last year for finishing 12th. It starts at 4 for top and reduces by 0.11 each position.
Additionally, the league final position is judged after playoffs, so if you finish second, or 14th if in Championship, but win the grand final, you are judged as position 1 (or 13th). Same for 2nd 3rd 4th etc.

Then, you get an extra 0.25 for winning GF. So final league position isn't as important as winning through the playoffs.

THEN (sorry I said it was complicated)
Your league score for last 3 years are added together to get an average.

Ours are currently
2023 - 2.779
2022 - 3.001
2021 - 3.001

The new score for 2024 will replace 2021.
The sum divided by 3 to get the average.

Then all those averages are put into a new table order and if anyone has changed positions, the new numbers are allocated, with 4 for top and reduced again by 0.111

So, on the last scores, over 3 years, we were 12th, so got 2.78 points.

No-one above us can fall lower than 12. Only Toulouse can get above us.

So to answer the original question, the answer is, we need to do better than Toulouse.
If we win GF then we've nothing to worry about. If we lose in the GF to Toulouse we will just fall below them on the Performance points...... unless we win the 1895 Cup, then we'd be above again.

It's quite tight. Primary goal, be better on the field than Toulouse.

People saying league position doesn't matter are not correct. Of course there are other factors to decide if we make SL, but the points on offer for GF and 1895 are a big impact as only 1 team can get each of the points

Thank you very much for that reply PT,much appreciated

Re: Duel Reg agreement with Wigan Warriors : Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:55 pm  

League Express reporting that Wigan are currently missing Ethan Havard and Junior Nsemba due to pre-season injuries but now Sam Walters has done his collar bone and Sam Eseh has done his hamstring and "both are set for several months on the sidelines"
So it looks like there won't be any forwards coming our way any time soon !!