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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:44 am  
Let's try and think logically. If you had just bought potentially one of the top clubs in SL, which let's face it its not the Premiership so I doesn't take too much to achieve in comparison, what would you do?

Firstly run the gauntlet of the history of the club especially recent history. Cup finals and although a little distant now we have had silverware. What is the record in the league. Probably best summed up as average. I would say far worse.

Your first game is a cup 1/4 final at home against a team that is average at best at the moment. You would be hoping for two things. 1) a win to take us to the next round and 2) a big crowd. We got neither.
This basically leaves us with nothing left to play for this season. Yes we can dress it up and state we could make the play offs blah blah blah but we won't realistically do anything there. We have some bloody tough games left and frankly I don't see many points coming our way.
So what to do. Crowds will tail off. Holiday season is with us. Its a period when fans miss the odd game as a result. Kids off school so days out are on the agenda and saving £50 a family by not going to a game is a distinct possibility when we have nothing to play for.
So how do we address that if you are the owner.
Well if you know of apathy towards certain elements in your organisation and your customers refuse to return because of that element then you get rid. You then hope it appeases your customers and the problem hopefully diminishes.

If we wait until October to do it you leave your customers annoyed and apathetic. You create unease in the employment ranks and from a positive start you start battling and having to fight fires.
The only way to maintain crowds and get season pass sales back to the 9000 mark will be for decisive action and soon. AP's hands are somewhat tied in terms of signings for next season so I don't see exciting marquee signings coming in. So a exciting new coaching set up has to be the answer.
In the interim I would get Long off his arris and taking over along with Fitz. Look to get experience in from Oz / NZ to be here from Nov 1st and build towards a new era starting with a bang in February. We will not be champs next year or possibly in 2013 but we have to start to look for massive improvement week in week out Do that and his investment will pay dividends. Sit back and be indecisive and AP might struggle even this early to ever get his dividends.
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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:59 am  
Good post above and I agree with it, cannot see us reaching the top 8 and surely even to Agar (with his team) he will see that as a failure. Oh forgot we have an excuse because Long is injured.

A few below 10k crowds starting Friday and alarm bells have got to be ringing.
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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:25 am  
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Let's try and think logically. If you had just bought potentially one of the top clubs in SL, which let's face it its not the Premiership so I doesn't take too much to achieve in comparison, what would you do?

Firstly run the gauntlet of the history of the club especially recent history. Cup finals and although a little distant now we have had silverware. What is the record in the league. Probably best summed up as average. I would say far worse.

Your first game is a cup 1/4 final at home against a team that is average at best at the moment. You would be hoping for two things. 1) a win to take us to the next round and 2) a big crowd. We got neither.
This basically leaves us with nothing left to play for this season. Yes we can dress it up and state we could make the play offs blah blah blah but we won't realistically do anything there. We have some bloody tough games left and frankly I don't see many points coming our way.
So what to do. Crowds will tail off. Holiday season is with us. Its a period when fans miss the odd game as a result. Kids off school so days out are on the agenda and saving £50 a family by not going to a game is a distinct possibility when we have nothing to play for.
So how do we address that if you are the owner.
Well if you know of apathy towards certain elements in your organisation and your customers refuse to return because of that element then you get rid. You then hope it appeases your customers and the problem hopefully diminishes.

If we wait until October to do it you leave your customers annoyed and apathetic. You create unease in the employment ranks and from a positive start you start battling and having to fight fires.
The only way to maintain crowds and get season pass sales back to the 9000 mark will be for decisive action and soon. AP's hands are somewhat tied in terms of signings for next season so I don't see exciting marquee signings coming in. So a exciting new coaching set up has to be the answer.
In the interim I would get Long off his arris and taking over along with Fitz. Look to get experience in from Oz / NZ to be here from Nov 1st and build towards a new era starting with a bang in February. We will not be champs next year or possibly in 2013 but we have to start to look for massive improvement week in week out Do that and his investment will pay dividends. Sit back and be indecisive and AP might struggle even this early to ever get his dividends.


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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:56 am  
Graham Richards wrote:
Let's try and think logically. If you had just bought potentially one of the top clubs in SL, which let's face it its not the Premiership so I doesn't take too much to achieve in comparison, what would you do?

Firstly run the gauntlet of the history of the club especially recent history. Cup finals and although a little distant now we have had silverware. What is the record in the league. Probably best summed up as average. I would say far worse.

Your first game is a cup 1/4 final at home against a team that is average at best at the moment. You would be hoping for two things. 1) a win to take us to the next round and 2) a big crowd. We got neither.
This basically leaves us with nothing left to play for this season. Yes we can dress it up and state we could make the play offs blah blah blah but we won't realistically do anything there. We have some bloody tough games left and frankly I don't see many points coming our way.
So what to do. Crowds will tail off. Holiday season is with us. Its a period when fans miss the odd game as a result. Kids off school so days out are on the agenda and saving £50 a family by not going to a game is a distinct possibility when we have nothing to play for.
So how do we address that if you are the owner.
Well if you know of apathy towards certain elements in your organisation and your customers refuse to return because of that element then you get rid. You then hope it appeases your customers and the problem hopefully diminishes.

If we wait until October to do it you leave your customers annoyed and apathetic. You create unease in the employment ranks and from a positive start you start battling and having to fight fires.
The only way to maintain crowds and get season pass sales back to the 9000 mark will be for decisive action and soon. AP's hands are somewhat tied in terms of signings for next season so I don't see exciting marquee signings coming in. So a exciting new coaching set up has to be the answer.
In the interim I would get Long off his arris and taking over along with Fitz. Look to get experience in from Oz / NZ to be here from Nov 1st and build towards a new era starting with a bang in February. We will not be champs next year or possibly in 2013 but we have to start to look for massive improvement week in week out Do that and his investment will pay dividends. Sit back and be indecisive and AP might struggle even this early to ever get his dividends.


Great post agree 100%, we need to change things asap, we are simply just not good enough, the coaching set up needs completly changing and a clear out of players is required, aside from Whiting, Briscoe, Yeaman, Westerman, houghton yesterday the rest just not good enough, how many penalties did Tickle give away in that 2nd half?. Brain Noble was at the game yesterday, lets hope Adam ran into him.
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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:01 am  
Just out of curiosity does anybody know where Agar disappeared to with 5mins left as he left his seat and I thought he was making his way at last to give some instruction pitch side but never saw him reappear anywhere?
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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:03 am  
Chris71 wrote:
Just out of curiosity does anybody know where Agar disappeared to with 5mins left as he left his seat and I thought he was making his way at last to give some instruction pitch side but never saw him reappear anywhere?


Was his taxi early?? :lol:
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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:09 am  
Chris71 wrote:
Just out of curiosity does anybody know where Agar disappeared to with 5mins left as he left his seat and I thought he was making his way at last to give some instruction pitch side but never saw him reappear anywhere?


Outside for a fag with o'meley?
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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:20 am  
Chris71 wrote:
Just out of curiosity does anybody know where Agar disappeared to with 5mins left as he left his seat and I thought he was making his way at last to give some instruction pitch side but never saw him reappear anywhere?

Probably needed the extra time to prepare his insightful post-loss press conference comments.
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Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:26 am  
Kosh wrote:
Chris71 wrote:
Just out of curiosity does anybody know where Agar disappeared to with 5mins left as he left his seat and I thought he was making his way at last to give some instruction pitch side but never saw him reappear anywhere?

Probably needed the extra time to prepare his insightful post-loss press conference comments.


He should have no difficulty with that Kosh as its the same old boll0x he spouts everytime a prime example "In the second half I always thought we looked like we had points in us"
The guy is so far out of his depth its unreal and unbelieveable he still our Head Coach after 3 years of garbage and the same failings.
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I for one wish him well... One thing is for sure despite what a lot on here said he was not sacked or under any sort of investigation...Good luck Mr Rule!

Re: Agar Out! : Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:38 am  
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Welcome back Gary...Rock God is back, we just need Big Dave now :GROUPHUG: :lol:


Haha thanks, didn't think I'd bother again but new hope and all that ;)
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