I think if he loses the bravado and always hunting the Hollywood showcase reel and just plays to the system his coach wants to he can still be a big player, unfortunately I think his ego just doesn't allow it.



Prime example trying to take Hurrell on on the outside with no space, wanting to prove he could over power him, on the 2nd tackle in our 30, absolute brainfarts fed by bravado, same with constantly leaving the line looking for the big hit..

Agree with that. Much harder to find a quality hooker in SL.

we need to find another name for the position.Its now just another half back



any ideas?

Seven-Ninth?

not bad

Houghton blocks young hooker development and you keep giving them away.

As mentionded before Radfords fault, hardly Houghtons fault,both should have been playing.

I wasn’t suggesting that it was Houghton’s fault just saying why you don’t have a SL quality hooker.

I heard we was trying to re-sign Miller these past couple weeks? Anyone heard out from that?

Being chased by Wigan I believe.

Seen him mentioned on twitter, but the guys who mention him tend to be wind up merchants half the time.



I can't see it really, unless he thinks he has unfinished business here

Be a good 6, wasnt the right time at Hull and asked to do a role that didnt suit him.

Tbf I wouldn’t mind him back definitely has improved since leaving us, wouldn’t mind being in 2 new half’s

Most of the young players you either release or allow to go that are signed by other SL clubs do develop into better players. We have benefited and so have Wakey. I think you should be acknowledged as a feeder club.

I love you to name some names, in SL I can only think of maybe young players we have released that where mistakes, all 3 where to Rovers and 2 had circumstances.



I reckon only Litten was the wrong decision at the time

Whether they were the right decision at the time from FC’s point of view is irrelevant. The point is that other clubs were able to take your cast offs or releases and develop them into better players.

I’m not sure Jordan, Jez, and Dean have developed into better players, they look the same as when we had them, I suppose it depends on the perceived aspirations of the club they are at, for whatever reasons they were released or left, I wish all our ex players all the best, regardless who they play for, tough decisions need to be made regarding playing personal.



You’ve just been asked to name these players, let’s hear it.



In my opinion Reece Lynne has been one that has definitely improved into a fine centre, and good luck to the lad,

You could say that about most young kids who get released from all SL clubs.



Off the top of my head we improved: Raynor, Carvell, Dowes, Tickle, Shaun Briscoe, Tom Briscoe, Cator, Watts, Connor. Plus more

For every Josh Hodgson there are ten Callum Lancasters but the ones who don't make the grade after being released by definition rarely get mentioned more than the few that do.

Are you really that stupid, surely every player who get released at a young age will get better, Reece Dean is a better pllayer now than at Hull, but it doesnt make it a mistake.



The fact remains that only 3/4 players who will have released have gone onto to be decent SL players the rest (100's) havent made the grade.



As it stands only Hodgson, Litten and Abdul look like mistakes.

Why does it matter?



Sometimes players fit at a certain time when they come through at a club and sometimes they’re better going elsewhere to progress.



Joe Cator was much better going to Leigh than hanging around on the fringes at Rovers. If Rovers had tried to hold on to him just out of FOMO, that’d have done nobody any good. Maybe if both the city’s clubs produced more good SL players we wouldn’t have this miserly attitude (in some quarters) of being relieved that they don’t kick-on somewhere else. I’d be delighted to see some of the lads that have spent a year or two in the Championship get a second bite at SL. I hope George Lawler goes well for Cas, to the degree that I care about players that have gone at all.

Exactly right good post.

You must be one of the few that do not think Jordan and Jez have not developed since leaving you. This includes people working in the game whose opinion deserves respect. If you cannot see that I’m afraid I find your assessment somewhat suspect. Dean hardly falls into the young category that I was referring to.

Perhaps as a parent watching young Litten playing for West Hull under nines in the same team as one of my sons, and his transition to Hulls first team, probably watching just about every game he played for Hull, then also seeing him regularly perform for the robins, his performance is much the same, the difference is as I said, perspective, Jez has been allocated much more game time, which he needed.



And as for you fawning over the meandering of Phil Clarke and the like, is laughable, you need to get off these forums and try attending matches, and we are still waiting for the answer to Dave Ks question, which players are you talking about who have improved leaving Hull.

Who mentioned Phil Clarke? You are entitled to your perspective I just don’t happen to agree with you. Nor do many other people, as I said some with more practical rugby experience than either of us. As an aside, I have probably watched many more live matches than you. Your experience in that area is rather limited due to your age.