Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:48 am  

UllFC wrote:

I don't think he is talking poop. Cas & Salford will improve, London may drop out.

that leaves only Wakefield & Widnes as sides that are expected to struggle. It would only take a few defeats for relegation fears to set in.

Just wait till Salford overtake us, Kosh will be spouting of a Koukash love in

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:53 am  

Does anyone seriously expect us to finish higher next season than this? With a weaker squad and an inexperienced coach I can see us struggling.

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:08 am  

Robbo4 wrote:

Just a thought here. I was told after immediately after the Wembley game that Gentle was going and Radford was taking over. If that actually happens can we be justified in thinking that Radford may have been undermining Gentle in order to get his job? I heard a rumour that after Yeamo was dropped at Cas a few senior players got together and told AP they didnt want to play for Gentle. I usually dismiss that kind of stuff as bollox but recent goings on have me wondering.

Heard something similar myself.

Follows on from Yeaman not passing the ball versus Leeds and the reaction to that.

If true then I have even less respect for the players than I did before.

Seems to be a familiar pattern at our club.

Time AP showed them who's boss.

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:41 am  

WormInHand wrote:

If the reason the players turned against Gentle is because he - rightly - dropped Yeaman then the cancer at our club still festers and the removal of Gentle will solve nothing. Kear - wrongly - dropped Brough in the 2005 play offs and the team never played the same for him again, despite what he says about his relationship with Hetherington being paramount in his exit. Professional players cannot react on the pitch negatively to what they deem to be an unjust decision by the coach, regardless of whether that decision is right or wrong. Otherwise these coups will recur indefinitely. A strong captain and senior player group loyal to the coach is imperative, regardless of the concerns they may express to the coach in private, this cannot be allowed to erupt onto the field.

Radford will struggle with this. He's too close to the players, all of whom will think their individual relationship with him gives them a say. It's the same in any organisation. Managers promoted from within the workforce to govern the same set of people struggle to create the detachment needed to make decisions that affect their former colleagues both in the workplace and often in their home lives, too. In my company - and I'm sure most others - new managers are placed in a different department, at least for the first couple of years, so if they do return it is as proven and established in the role - the necessary distance to make unpleasant decisions is then in place.

If, and it is an if, Gentle lost the team because of selection issues and other decisions that were necessary but unpopular, then Radford will find it so much harder as many of them are mates and will, as is human nature, take it personally.

Very good post.

Wasnt Brough dropped to play Faumauina - at Hetheringtons request

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:46 am  

deslawson wrote:

Theres been a big change in him,he's had that smug smile surgically removed.

When's Sandycock going to get that whiny, screechy, moaning voice seen to??

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:49 am  

UllFC wrote:

I don't think he is talking poop. Cas & Salford will improve, London may drop out.

that leaves only Wakefield & Widnes as sides that are expected to struggle. It would only take a few defeats for relegation fears to set in.

Despite the current doom and gloom unless we implode massively I can't see this happening. Castleford, if they improve at all, will surely struggle without Chase and Seymour is a gamble. Salford might take a year or two to develop. Wakefield you would expect to go backwards with losing most of their best players and lack of funds to buy new. Widnes could push on a bit, but are losing Hock.

Plus you forget that Rovers are losing quality players and their replacements may not be any improvement at all. (Despite the "We'll improve without Dobson because we'll be unpredictable" theory.) And then Catalans who finished below us and because they're poor travellers will always lose points.

Not saying we won't be in the 6th to 8th mix but we are in a better position than some.

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:04 pm  

WormInHand wrote:

If the reason the players turned against Gentle is because he - rightly - dropped Yeaman then the cancer at our club still festers and the removal of Gentle will solve nothing. Kear - wrongly - dropped Brough in the 2005 play offs and the team never played the same for him again, despite what he says about his relationship with Hetherington being paramount in his exit. Professional players cannot react on the pitch negatively to what they deem to be an unjust decision by the coach, regardless of whether that decision is right or wrong. Otherwise these coups will recur indefinitely. A strong captain and senior player group loyal to the coach is imperative, regardless of the concerns they may express to the coach in private, this cannot be allowed to erupt onto the field.

Radford will struggle with this. He's too close to the players, all of whom will think their individual relationship with him gives them a say. It's the same in any organisation. Managers promoted from within the workforce to govern the same set of people struggle to create the detachment needed to make decisions that affect their former colleagues both in the workplace and often in their home lives, too. In my company - and I'm sure most others - new managers are placed in a different department, at least for the first couple of years, so if they do return it is as proven and established in the role - the necessary distance to make unpleasant decisions is then in place.

If, and it is an if, Gentle lost the team because of selection issues and other decisions that were necessary but unpopular, then Radford will find it so much harder as many of them are mates and will, as is human nature, take it personally.

Excellent post.

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:26 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

Don't talk poop.

Sheldon why is that poop?

In 2008 you got to the cup final and finished 11th out of 12 and then the following season 12th out of 14.Very close to relegation had it existed and arguably with a better squad and coach.

[Kosh]

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:52 pm  

frepneyboy wrote:

Just wait till Salford overtake us, Kosh will be spouting of a Koukash love in

You really have fallen for the hype hook, line, and sinker.

If you're so enamoured of Salford and the good Doctor I suggest getting yourself a season pass and changing allegiance.

[Kosh]

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:54 pm  

davey37 wrote:

Heard something similar myself.

Follows on from Yeaman not passing the ball versus Leeds and the reaction to that.

If true then I have even less respect for the players than I did before.

Seems to be a familiar pattern at our club.

Time AP showed them who's boss.

Well if this story is true, and Gentle loses his job to be replaced by their mate Radford, then AP will have shown them pretty categorically that THEY are the bosses.