Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:27 pm  

scarrie wrote: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/my-qualifications-okay-this-tony-9177723 Is Tony getting a bit defensive? All this talk of culture is fine but its very vague. We all get that improving this club will take time but everything that seems to come out the club is vague generalities so we've no idea what they are actually doing. So when we don't see any improvements on the field it seems like nothing is happening. "he insisted it is a long-term process, and despite the ongoing frustrations, which arguably peaked over the weekend" I wouldn't be so sure about that.

scarrie wrote: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/my-qualifications-okay-this-tony-9177723 Is Tony getting a bit defensive? All this talk of culture is fine but its very vague. We all get that improving this club will take time but everything that seems to come out the club is vague generalities so we've no idea what they are actually doing. So when we don't see any improvements on the field it seems like nothing is happening. "he insisted it is a long-term process, and despite the ongoing frustrations, which arguably peaked over the weekend" I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:40 pm  

scarrie wrote: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/my-qualifications-okay-this-tony-9177723 Is Tony getting a bit defensive? All this talk of culture is fine but its very vague. We all get that improving this club will take time but everything that seems to come out the club is vague generalities so we've no idea what they are actually doing. So when we don't see any improvements on the field it seems like nothing is happening. Not had a chance to listen to the podcast as yet (had been hoping to this evening but it will likely be tomorrow night now) but have read this article. He's right in that turning the culture around at the club is going to take time and not happen overnight. But it's not as if he's newly appointed. He's a season in now. There should be some outward signs at this point that the culture is improving slowly that we as fans can see each game out on the field. I think it's fair to say that no one is seeing that from the outside of the club. So it just sounds in similar vein to the old "we trained well all week" line we've heard for years. Meaningless if we're not seeing it on gameday. Which makes it very worrying when he says that the culture has improved a lot since he's been here. Definitely sounds a bit defensive but maybe that's a good thing. Might be that he's showing some fighting spirit and that might rub off on the players.

scarrie wrote: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/my-qualifications-okay-this-tony-9177723 Is Tony getting a bit defensive? All this talk of culture is fine but its very vague. We all get that improving this club will take time but everything that seems to come out the club is vague generalities so we've no idea what they are actually doing. So when we don't see any improvements on the field it seems like nothing is happening. Not had a chance to listen to the podcast as yet (had been hoping to this evening but it will likely be tomorrow night now) but have read this article. He's right in that turning the culture around at the club is going to take time and not happen overnight. But it's not as if he's newly appointed. He's a season in now. There should be some outward signs at this point that the culture is improving slowly that we as fans can see each game out on the field. I think it's fair to say that no one is seeing that from the outside of the club. So it just sounds in similar vein to the old "we trained well all week" line we've heard for years. Meaningless if we're not seeing it on gameday. Which makes it very worrying when he says that the culture has improved a lot since he's been here. Definitely sounds a bit defensive but maybe that's a good thing. Might be that he's showing some fighting spirit and that might rub off on the players.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:45 pm  

Marcus's Bicycle wrote:

"he insisted it is a long-term process, and despite the ongoing frustrations, which arguably peaked over the weekend"

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Course he's getting defensive, he won't get another SL job if this doesnt turn round, and he's still only 57 and unless he's invested well probably can't just retire.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:49 pm  

all this talk of culture and changing it,our current plight has nothing to do with it,the fact is most of the players we have now,just are not good enough.no flair,no leadership no guile.until we start signing some quality players and put them in the correct positions we will flounder.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:58 pm  

If he was that good of a coach, he’d have at least improved our discipline but that’s arguably worse than when he took over.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:08 pm  

For me, Clifford saying how easy our preseason was under Smith speaks volumes.
It would obviously explain our lack of fitness and propensity to give away penalties like confetti due to fatigue and lack of intensity in training.
Unless there is a huge sea change in Hull's on field performances, Smith is done for me.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:09 pm  

Cuddleclub wrote:

If he was that good of a coach, he’d have at least improved our discipline but that’s arguably worse than when he took over.

Agree, London clearly have one of the weakest squads ever in SL but at least look organised and arent getting cards every week

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:14 pm  

UllFC wrote:

Agree, London clearly have one of the weakest squads ever in SL but at least look organised and arent getting cards every week

Completely agree, sad state of affairs.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:27 pm  

he never mentioned finances ,otherwise it sounded very much like another one of tinkering tonys mumblings

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:56 pm  

fosdyke99 wrote:

all this talk of culture and changing it,our current plight has nothing to do with it,the fact is most of the players we have now,just are not good enough.no flair,no leadership no guile.until we start signing some quality players and put them in the correct positions we will flounder.

We all agree that a change in attitude/culture/mind-set/whatever is undoubtedly required at the club, but that is a mid/long-term stratagem. A process which, hopefully, will evolve over time.

But it shouldn't then follow that whilst that is taking place, we have to perform, in the here and now, at a level which has been, quite frankly, barely above championship standard. Just because a club is in 'transition' doesn't mean they have to plummet down to the depths.

I know they are different, far more successful, clubs than us, but 'transition' for Wigan and St. Helens usually means dropping down as low as 4th for two seasons before they resume their normal trophy winning ways.
'Transition' for us seems to entail scrabbling around the bottom end of the table for nigh on a decade!

This simply comes across as yet another excuse to me, another excuse to mask dreadful mistakes, past and present, which have led to us being barely competitive in 2024. They're fudging the issue as always, hoping that we won't notice somehow!!