Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:29 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Well if this story is true, and Gentle loses his job to be replaced by their mate Radford, then AP will have shown them pretty categorically that THEY are the bosses.

Quite.

A lot of speculation around, though. Should we just trust Pearson and his reputation?

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:31 pm  

Hutchie wrote:

Very good post.

Wasnt Brough dropped to play Faumauina - at Hetheringtons request

Kear has since confirmed it was his decision, so we can't blame Kath for that one.

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:03 pm  

Hessle Roader wrote:

When's Sandycock going to get that whiny, screechy, moaning voice seen to??

Only needs a bit of wd 40 on it !

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:12 pm  

deslawson wrote:

Only needs a bit of wd 40 on it !

He could borrow the can FC used on their hands in the Cup Final

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:10 pm  

Lots of stories going around and frankly I don't believe most of them. You always get these kind of stories when things are going wrong so i'd take them with a pinch of salt.

Gentle going leaves me in two minds. He has had a positive impact on the club and done some good stuff. However, we are no nearer to producing consistent performances and we have been woeful for most of the season. In our three biggest games in the last month or so we lost the CC final with an awful display, lost to Saints at home for a home PO spot with an awful display and lost against Hudds with an awful display. The lack of consistency and failure to produce in the biggest games will prove his undoing.

As for Radford, I think he'll go on to be a good head coach. Whether or not this appointment is too soon I don't know. It's clear AP see's local players and young players as the best way to create success and maybe he see's Radford as the right man along with Lasty to bring them through.

It's a gamble and sometimes you have to take hard choices and take a step backwards to move forwards, or maybe the grass isn't always greener. Either way i'll support Lee and the club.

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:13 pm  

As for player power I believe it exists at every club but ours would seem to be negative whereas a club like Leeds seems to have a bunch of powerful players with a positive influence.

If the players revolt due to someone being dropped and then as a result the coach loses his job it's totally wrong. I don't believe it though as I don't think AP would be easily fooled like that.

We don't know what goes on really but I think AP does and I trust him to make the right call.

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:16 pm  

Anyone heard if/when Gentle going will be confirmed? Until Hutchie trails a 2pm press conference, I won't believe it.

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:47 pm  

It's interesting and not unsurprising that there are so many mixed opinions about this departure. Gentle was very good with the media, had a very 'laid back' style and was clearly a very knowledgable person in relation to the game and a good supporter of young talent.

Hull played some of their best rugby in years under Gentle and during the few games that this happened, there were occasional glimmers of what could potentially be. He made some positive changes at the club and was generally considered a 'nice guy.'

None of this makes him a leader of men, who would have the consistent respect of his coaching colleagues, staff and players. He had a healthy pedigree as an assistant in Australia, but that's all. If rumours are to be believed, there has been unrest among the ranks for some time. If left unaddressed, that is unsustainable. The inconsistency the team has shown this year is unacceptable, by anyone's standards.

On occasion, the performances against the better teams have been admirable, but the performances against the lower half of the league and also the two worst games at Wembley and then at Huddersfield would demand intervention by ANY club. That's just a fact, with little to argue against.

There is a strong argument to suggest that some of the players need holding to account. The coach doesn't take to the field, etc. This is true. The coach is responsible for the discipline, consistency and ultimately the results, none of which have been regularly apparent this year.

In my opinion, if the club is going to move forward it needs a local focus, built upon passion and pride in the shirt and the club. Just look at the player of the year awards. It was littered with examples of players who were Hull born or who had come though the academy structures.

Radford is untested as SL Coach yes, but he is no novice to coaching or the game. He is a local product, who has won more silverware than many in the game as a player and been among some great talent, including great coaches. He is respected by the fans, players and broader game. Andy Last is a workhorse, totally committed to Hull FC, with a strong track record of producing and supporting real talent. If rumours are true and Paul Cooke is coming in to support the half back school and maintain links with youth via the dual registration at Doncaster - what better? Richard Horne as Head of Youth would be the icing on the cake. It would instil pride, passion and be built upon the clear evidence base of the academy products and related developments. It's not a knee jerk reaction. It's a professional, well thought through, commercially astute response to rebuilding Hull FC.

I for one, on one level, am sad to see Gentle go, as professionally he was much better than we have had in a long time and on a personal level it must be tough for him and I appreciate that it would be hard for him and all involved to leave mid-way through am expected tenure. However, as a Hull FC fan and long term season pass holder, I believe honestly that these moves are in the best interest of the club and the long term success of Hull FC.

Come on You Hull!

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:51 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

Lots of stories going around and frankly I don't believe most of them. You always get these kind of stories when things are going wrong so i'd take them with a pinch of salt.

Gentle going leaves me in two minds. He has had a positive impact on the club and done some good stuff. However, we are no nearer to producing consistent performances and we have been woeful for most of the season. In our three biggest games in the last month or so we lost the CC final with an awful display, lost to Saints at home for a home PO spot with an awful display and lost against Hudds with an awful display. The lack of consistency and failure to produce in the biggest games will prove his undoing.

As for Radford, I think he'll go on to be a good head coach. Whether or not this appointment is too soon I don't know. It's clear AP see's local players and young players as the best way to create success and maybe he see's Radford as the right man along with Lasty to bring them through.

It's a gamble and sometimes you have to take hard choices and take a step backwards to move forwards, or maybe the grass isn't always greener. Either way i'll support Lee and the club.

If after what I've heard he does get appointed as head coach I'm sorry but the club has lost my support.

Been told that after the challenge cup AP asked Radford to takeover until the end of the season as coach to give him chance to find a fulltime replacement for Gentle, Radford refused but asked to be considered as Gentle's replacement.

Now considering Radford's friendship with our senior players I actually question Radford in how the players have being playing since the challenge cup..

Re: Gentle going. : Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:52 pm  

Hawk wrote:

It's interesting and not unsurprising that there are so many mixed opinions about this departure. Gentle was very good with the media, had a very 'laid back' style and was clearly a very knowledgable person in relation to the game and a good supporter of young talent.

Hull played some of their best rugby in years under Gentle and during the few games that this happened, there were occasional glimmers of what could potentially be. He made some positive changes at the club and was generally considered a 'nice guy.'

None of this makes him a leader of men, who would have the consistent respect of his coaching colleagues, staff and players. He had a health pedigree as an assistant in Australia, but that's all. If rumours are to be believed, there has been unrest among the ranks for some time. If left unaddressed, that is unsustainable. The inconsistency the team has shown this year is unacceptable, by anyone's standards.

On occasion, the performances against the better teams have been admirable, but the performances against the lower half of the league and also the two worst games at Wembley and then at Huddersfield would demand intervention by ANY club. That's just a fact, with little to argue against.

There is a strong argument to suggest that some of the players need holding to account. The coach doesn't take to the field, etc. This is true. The coach is responsible for the discipline, consistency and ultimately the results, none of which have been regularly apparent this year.

In my opinion, if the club is going to move forward it needs a local focus, built upon passion and pride in the shirt and the club. Just look at the player of the year awards. It was littered with examples of players who were Hull born or who had come though the academy structures.

Radford is untested as SL Coach yes, but he is no novice to coaching or the game. He is a local product, who had won more silverware than many in the game as a player and been among some great talent, including great coaches. He is respected by the fans, players and broader game. Andy Last is a workhorse, totally committed to Hull FC, with a strong track record of producing and supporting real talent. If rumours are true and Paul Cooke is coming in to support the half back school and maintain links with youth via the dual registration at Doncaster - what better? Richard Horne as Head of Youth would be the icing on the cake. It would instil pride, passion and be built upon the clear evidence based of the academy products developments. It's not a knee jerk reaction. It's a professional, well thought through, commercially astute response to rebuilding Hull FC.

I for one, on one level, am sad to see Gentle go, as professionally he was much better than we have had in a long time and on a personal level it must be tough for him and I appreciate that it would be hard for him and all involved to leave mid-way through am expected tenure. However, as a Hull FC fan and long term season pass holder, I believe honestly that these moves are in the best interest of the club and the long term success of Hull FC.

Come on You Hull!

well said