Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:40 pm  

ploinerrhino wrote:

Could it be the owner at Fault ?

Just Asking by the way

100% it is in my opinion.

Hes created a culture of player power IMO and mismanaged the salary cap.

When you think Smith had to give away our best player to sign a scrum half tells you the situation he inherited. 4 Hookers, 3 Full backs, 5 Centres but only 2 second rowers.

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:12 pm  

We can't keep changing the coach and we won't this time. I think Smith knows he's got a hell of a job on his hands. I do believe we are in a dog fight with wakey who goes done. Hopefully we can wheel and deal in the next few weeks. Maybe time to give a few of the youngsters a chance. Pearson has to take a fair share of responsibility but let's be honest without him we properly wouldn't have a club. Buckle up your belts it's gonna be a roller coaster

[Chris71]

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:13 pm  

The old adage that you can not coach effort & determination has never been more true you either have pride in those things as an individual or you don’t. The majority of these players do not have any determination nor are they seemingly that bothered in regards to effort. Maybe part of the problem has been since winning the CC at Wembley they have believed their own hype and had their egos massaged by Radford, AP and Clarke enabling a poor culture evolve and grow.
As much as it will be difficult to shift any of these under performing lazy players it’s something that’s needs doing as a matter of urgency to remove the stench that is stinking out this club.
Smith as has been mentioned is likely experimenting to try and get improvement out the turds but much like rolling one in glitter it is still ultimately a turd. Think Smiths laid back style is being tested to its limits and the cancellation of time off shows his patience has worn thin with them. What is a surprise is this is the first time I can remember the players actually have a consequence for their so called efforts.
All we as fans ask for and want to see is a team play with effort & pride something that this bunch lack in barrow loads.

AP & Smith need to act quickly and cut a couple of players to try and give kick up the arses to the rest, though even that probably wouldn’t bother some who have downed tools until their contracts run out.

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:31 pm  

I think hes tried dropping a few and it hasnt worked.

Big meeting needed with Shenton to identify which youngsters can come in and perform to a higher standard than whats on show.

Surely some of Balmforth, Staveley, Gardiner, Laidlaw, Wakakoke, Jebforth can do a better job than some of the current players.

For me Rovers line speed in defense was another level to ours.
I thought our forwards actually worked well at the start , but the gains were undone by bad organisation the last. Has to hit Clifford everytime thought dywer had a mare in that respect.
As Smith has said we just dont have the players or unity to cope under adversity.

Crying out for some leaders as theres none willing to galvanise the current lot. Also lacking major game smarts amongst the players, we need to be identifying some players with good rugby IQ.

Id like to see Brown in for Evans.
Balmforth on the bench
Staveley given a chance at loose forward.

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:35 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

The old adage that you can not coach effort & determination has never been more true you either have pride in those things as an individual or you don’t. The majority of these players do not have any determination nor are they seemingly that bothered in regards to effort. Maybe part of the problem has been since winning the CC at Wembley they have believed their own hype and had their egos massaged by Radford, AP and Clarke enabling a poor culture evolve and grow.
As much as it will be difficult to shift any of these under performing lazy players it’s something that’s needs doing as a matter of urgency to remove the stench that is stinking out this club.
Smith as has been mentioned is likely experimenting to try and get improvement out the turds but much like rolling one in glitter it is still ultimately a turd. Think Smiths laid back style is being tested to its limits and the cancellation of time off shows his patience has worn thin with them. What is a surprise is this is the first time I can remember the players actually have a consequence for their so called efforts.
All we as fans ask for and want to see is a team play with effort & pride something that this bunch lack in barrow loads.

AP & Smith need to act quickly and cut a couple of players to try and give kick up the arses to the rest, though even that probably wouldn’t bother some who have downed tools until their contracts run out.

What I can't fathom is that these players are playing for their futures. Most of the underperforming players contracts run out at the end of the season. The way things are at the moment is they have no chance of getting an extension with us but they are hardly putting themselves in the shop window to get one anywhere else. Or maybe they are simply not good enough anymore.

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:45 pm  

Rocknrolla69er wrote:

I think hes tried dropping a few and it hasnt worked.

Big meeting needed with Shenton to identify which youngsters can come in and perform to a higher standard than whats on show.

Surely some of Balmforth, Staveley, Gardiner, Laidlaw, Wakakoke, Jebforth can do a better job than some of the current players.

For me Rovers line speed in defense was another level to ours.
I thought our forwards actually worked well at the start , but the gains were undone by bad organisation the last. Has to hit Clifford everytime thought dywer had a mare in that respect.
As Smith has said we just dont have the players or unity to cope under adversity.

Crying out for some leaders as theres none willing to galvanise the current lot. Also lacking major game smarts amongst the players, we need to be identifying some players with good rugby IQ.

Id like to see Brown in for Evans.
Balmforth on the bench
Staveley given a chance at loose forward.

Obviously there needs to be some kind of shake up immediately. Maybe three or four need to be given a chance but you can't make wholesale changes despite the fact that the vast majority of the team deserve dropping.

[Chris71]

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:46 pm  

Marcus's Bicycle wrote:

What I can't fathom is that these players are playing for their futures. Most of the underperforming players contracts run out at the end of the season. The way things are at the moment is they have no chance of getting an extension with us but they are hardly putting themselves in the shop window to get one anywhere else. Or maybe they are simply not good enough anymore.

Exactly if they can’t or won’t put the effort in for their own sakes then not a lot of hope of them putting any in it all. Think a few will likely retire so explains their body language and efforts, some probably sulking now their easy life and ruling the roost is over, some plainly not good enough and some either already plans are elsewhere after this season etc.

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:48 pm  

Rocknrolla69er wrote:

I think hes tried dropping a few and it hasnt worked.

Big meeting needed with Shenton to identify which youngsters can come in and perform to a higher standard than whats on show.

Surely some of Balmforth, Staveley, Gardiner, Laidlaw, Wakakoke, Jebforth can do a better job than some of the current players.

For me Rovers line speed in defense was another level to ours.
I thought our forwards actually worked well at the start , but the gains were undone by bad organisation the last. Has to hit Clifford everytime thought dywer had a mare in that respect.
As Smith has said we just dont have the players or unity to cope under adversity.

Crying out for some leaders as theres none willing to galvanise the current lot. Also lacking major game smarts amongst the players, we need to be identifying some players with good rugby IQ.

Id like to see Brown in for Evans.

Balmforth on the bench
Staveley given a chance at loose forward.

Laidlaw and Gardiner should be ahead of Evans as well.

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:54 pm  

pmarrow wrote:

100% it is in my opinion.

Hes created a culture of player power IMO and mismanaged the salary cap.

When you think Smith had to give away our best player to sign a scrum half tells you the situation he inherited. 4 Hookers, 3 Full backs, 5 Centres but only 2 second rowers.

Player power happens in all sports

Definitely happening at Hull fc last 5 years

All it would take is all super league teams to put things in a contract like possible termination of contract

Cause I hate player power , sport is the only industry where the main people can under perform and nothing happens to them

Players would still sign as majority would rather play rugby than work on a building site ( aka Jamie shaul )

Re: Good Friday Derby: Record score for Hull KR : Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:06 pm  

Pearson got lucky for a couple of years because he had a top coach who could deliver some silverware and identify good players and the pulling power to get them on board. Apart from what Radders did for our club, Pearson's time here has been atrocious.