Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:05 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

How many nominees do we normally have for a single position, is 5 one too many?

yeah its 5 for a single position - 6 for a dual

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:07 pm  

The Judge wrote:

We have had an enormous blessing of loose men. The jury will be out for ever on this one.
Knocker for me, he had it all, Whiteley was incomparable but I was but a young gun then, Crane absolute class, Grimaldi modern day artist and Smith the perfect allrounder.
Tough call for you mate, best of luck.

luckily i'm only doing the nominees - you lot are voting for the players (i wouldn't be so daft in trying to put together a team myself )

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:23 pm  

Norton was the best I have seen (with Smith a close second).

But I guess Whiteley has to be named because of what hid did for the club, GB and how he is still regarded as the clubs biggest legend.

I don't see you can have a best team ever Hull side without him it, regardless of position. So Norton will probably end up being the best player not to be in it!

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:27 pm  

Difficult one this.

Norton was pure class, but I wonder if he could have cut it in the modern game. Norton was head and shoulders above at his time but I do wonder about the fitness levels the average player had back then. Also Norton, for the main, played in an attacking, free flowing teams. If he had a quiet game someone else would have taken charge.

Smith was, in my opinion, a more skillful player and could handle the pace of the modern game. As pointed out by another poster, he single handedly lead the team forward. Downside was his injury record

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:35 pm  

I think some fans are looking through rose coloured bins reagds Knocker He was good ,But on skill and being able to control a game Jason Smith was a class above
I have seen knocker play right shart at times and yet Smithy could turn a game single handed Next to him Craney was a one of and even Knocker admired his class
if if comes down to what the guy has done in his carreer Remember who was Sullys centre on his first game , then it has to be Johnny whitely Its a hard call for me We are lucky to have been blessed with supreme loose forwards
My shout has to be Smithy , stand off/scrum half/loose man In my top players i have seen pull on the black and white shirt, best of luck on this one

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:03 pm  

Been following this and although I won't be voting I am old enough to have watched both Norton and Smith. The 13 shirt has evolved a lot over the years. Norton was to me an off the cuff player who could change games with a touch of magic. Smith on the other hand was a leader of men and the team would follow him into battles you had no right to win.

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:30 pm  

got a few more comments on the thread so i let it run on for a bit, but here are the 5 nominees for the position of Loose Forward

Johnny Whiteley. Signed for Hull from amateur rugby in 1950 Whiteley went on to make 417 appearances for his only professional club, scoring 156 tries. He became captain in 1956 and kept the role until his retirement. The lynch pin of the great FC side of the late 50s and early 60s he won 2 championships and made 2 losing challenge cup final appearances, and was never dropped. He also featured in 2 ashes winning series for great britain both at home and down under. Went on to coach Hull and also GB to a series win over Australia in 1970.

Mick Crane. Crane was arguably Hull's most mercurial player able to create and score tries from nothing with a slick pass or outrageous dummy, and also possessed a decent kicking game to boot. He played for the club from 1970 until 1977 and returned in 1981 after spells at leeds and hull kr. he retired in 1987 though missed all of the 1985/6 season through 'premature retirement'. whilst often overlooked in favour of steve norton for the loose forward role in the biggest games he plyed his part in several cup wins of the early 80s. played over 350 games for Hull. Also possessed something of a unique attitude to training

Steve Norton. Signed from Castleford under the noses of leeds and bradford, norton went on to become the key player in the great early 80's FC team. One of the great ball playing 13's, norton won all major honours with hull apart from the premiership trophy. as well as a skillful player norton could be a hard man on the field and would take on an enforcer type roll when called upon. played in 3 challenge cup finals and also in the winning 1982 replay team. norton also represented GB on 12 occasions.

Tony Grimaldi. Though he had a relatively short career with hull, TG made a big impression on the post Gateshead merger team in 2000 and 2001 as club captain. He was one of the first of a newer breed of 13's, noted for work rate and high tackle counts, leading the team through inspiration. Took on the onfield task of blending the best of the Gateshead players with the young talent coming through at Hull. Played 60 games scoring 14 tries

Jason Smith. Signed to replace Grimaldi, Smith was already a superstar of the game in Australia where he was one of the players who resisted the advances of superleague, winning the world cup in 1995. Smith was probably the last great ball playing loose man the club have had, possessing left and right cut out passes, leadership skills and an excellent kicking game. He led the team by example, becoming captain in 2002 until his departure in 2004. Only injury prevented him going on to greater things in England. Played 80 games scoring 17 tries.

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:36 pm  

if you think the nominees are wrong and would like to propose an inclusion or exclusion please speak up on this thread. i will start the voting thread in a couple of days and also link to the other position voting threads which are still open and will remain so until the end of the regular season. I will ask the mods if they can make the voting link thread a sticky once the team nominations are complete. Coming up next will be the coach thread and also the subs (i'm going to have a think about how to do this one as these will most likely come from players who don't win the vote in the main position categories - suggestions welcome)

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:46 am  

the artist wrote:

Johnny Whiteley. The lynch pin of the great FC side of the late 50s and early 60s he won 2 championships and made 2 losing challenge cup final appearances, and was never dropped. He also featured in 2 ashes winning series for great britain both at home and down under. Went on to coach Hull and also GB to a world cup win.

The great Hull side of the fifties started it's run in 1955. Between 1955 and 1961 Whiteley played in at least 1 final/year in this period for a total of 8 finals. These comprised 3 League championships, 2 Yorks cups,2 Challenge cups and 1 European Cup. Also in this period he played for GB/England winning 2 ashes series and the World cup. No other Hull player in its history can come anywhere near to this success in a similar time frame.

I cannot recall John coaching an England World cup win but I was in Australia to witness him coaching GB to their last ashes series win in 1970, having also seen him play in the last GB ashes win in England.

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward : Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:44 pm  

Freddie Miller. wrote:

The great Hull side of the fifties started it's run in 1955. Between 1955 and 1961 Whiteley played in at least 1 final/year in this period for a total of 8 finals. These comprised 3 League championships, 2 Yorks cups,2 Challenge cups and 1 European Cup. Also in this period he played for GB/England winning 2 ashes series and the World cup. No other Hull player in its history can come anywhere near to this success in a similar time frame.

I cannot recall John coaching an England World cup win but I was in Australia to witness him coaching GB to their last ashes series win in 1970, having also seen him play in the last GB ashes win in England.

Sorry I thought he was coach for the 1972 world cup win. Will ammend