[Mild Rover]

Re: Good Friday Derby : Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:41 pm  

Dave K. wrote: I'd take a 2 year plan, if Hodgson and Pearson planned it out and explained their reason, start phasing in young players in key positions and build for a couple of years. Not sure other fans would have the patience and we need to keep fans coming to survive. A 2-year plan is much better than a 5-year plan, and explaining it to get buy in is very important. All we knew about our 5-year plan was its duration, that there were 10 key (and secret) objectives and that JP saw it was being a slow process. https://hullkr.co.uk/insight-into-the-r ... e-peacock/ What if you don’t have many young players who are good enough at 18-20 years old now? One thing I think Peacock maybe had right was a 5-year lag for improvements to a youth system to start to bear fruit at first team level. I appreciate that you’re talking about phasing it in and I don’t doubt you have some good academy players. If you have enough and one or two who are very good, it could work. Patience was a bit of buzzword among some Rovers fans ~10 years ago, in the Sandercock era, but it ran out fast at the end of his first season. I think you need to see some green shoots fairly swiftly. The difference for Saints is that if a couple of youngsters in their 17 aren’t quite good enough or are still inconsistent, they just win by 12 instead of 24.

Dave K. wrote: I'd take a 2 year plan, if Hodgson and Pearson planned it out and explained their reason, start phasing in young players in key positions and build for a couple of years. Not sure other fans would have the patience and we need to keep fans coming to survive. A 2-year plan is much better than a 5-year plan, and explaining it to get buy in is very important. All we knew about our 5-year plan was its duration, that there were 10 key (and secret) objectives and that JP saw it was being a slow process. https://hullkr.co.uk/insight-into-the-r ... e-peacock/ What if you don’t have many young players who are good enough at 18-20 years old now? One thing I think Peacock maybe had right was a 5-year lag for improvements to a youth system to start to bear fruit at first team level. I appreciate that you’re talking about phasing it in and I don’t doubt you have some good academy players. If you have enough and one or two who are very good, it could work. Patience was a bit of buzzword among some Rovers fans ~10 years ago, in the Sandercock era, but it ran out fast at the end of his first season. I think you need to see some green shoots fairly swiftly. The difference for Saints is that if a couple of youngsters in their 17 aren’t quite good enough or are still inconsistent, they just win by 12 instead of 24.

Re: Good Friday Derby : Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:00 pm  

Mild Rover wrote: A 2-year plan is much better than a 5-year plan, and explaining it to get buy in is very important. All we knew about our 5-year plan was its duration, that there were 10 key (and secret) objectives and that JP saw it was being a slow process. https://hullkr.co.uk/insight-into-the-r ... e-peacock/ What if you don’t have many young players who are good enough at 18-20 years old now? One thing I think Peacock maybe had right was a 5-year lag for improvements to a youth system to start to bear fruit at first team level. I appreciate that you’re talking about phasing it in and I don’t doubt you have some good academy players. If you have enough and one or two who are very good, it could work. Patience was a bit of buzzword among some Rovers fans ~10 years ago, in the Sandercock era, but it ran out fast at the end of his first season. I think you need to see some green shoots fairly swiftly. The difference for Saints is that if a couple of youngsters in their 17 aren’t quite good enough or are still inconsistent, they just win by 12 instead of 24. What about Paul Lakin's new 7 year plan? And his famous #thinktank ?

Mild Rover wrote: A 2-year plan is much better than a 5-year plan, and explaining it to get buy in is very important. All we knew about our 5-year plan was its duration, that there were 10 key (and secret) objectives and that JP saw it was being a slow process. https://hullkr.co.uk/insight-into-the-r ... e-peacock/ What if you don’t have many young players who are good enough at 18-20 years old now? One thing I think Peacock maybe had right was a 5-year lag for improvements to a youth system to start to bear fruit at first team level. I appreciate that you’re talking about phasing it in and I don’t doubt you have some good academy players. If you have enough and one or two who are very good, it could work. Patience was a bit of buzzword among some Rovers fans ~10 years ago, in the Sandercock era, but it ran out fast at the end of his first season. I think you need to see some green shoots fairly swiftly. The difference for Saints is that if a couple of youngsters in their 17 aren’t quite good enough or are still inconsistent, they just win by 12 instead of 24. What about Paul Lakin's new 7 year plan? And his famous #thinktank ?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Good Friday Derby : Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:44 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

What about Paul Lakin's new 7 year plan? And his famous #thinktank ?

For redeveloping the ground etc? Don’t know much about it, but no red flags so far. Hopefully they’ll find the appropriate balance in employing highly experienced and competent architects and contractors, with enthusiastic young local workers getting an opportunity to develop. The Totally Wicked Stadium was built by Barr Construction Limited, who are based in the West of Scotland, and not a group of St Helens teens who demonstrated promise with Meccano.
I’ve gone too far the other way now, haven’t I? Developing young players is very valuable, but isn’t some sort of panacea. It is not the key difference between the successful teams that win the GF every year and the rest, or at least not the most important one.
The think tank… if I knew, I’ve forgotten.

Re: Good Friday Derby : Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:25 pm  

Derby stats - our top metre maker was Josh Griffin - 137m, 26 tackles, 3 tackle busts. Only Coote and Hall made more metres in the match.

Re: Good Friday Derby : Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:28 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Derby stats - our top metre maker was Josh Griffin - 137m, 26 tackles, 3 tackle busts. Only Coote and Hall made more metres in the match.

There's no point carrying the ball all that distance if you're gonna drop it at the end.

Re: Good Friday Derby : Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:37 pm  

giddyupoldfella wrote:

There's no point carrying the ball all that distance if you're gonna drop it at the end.

Or get tackled into touch?

Re: Good Friday Derby : Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:39 pm  

giddyupoldfella wrote:

There's no point carrying the ball all that distance if you're gonna drop it at the end.

Well he made 2 errors. Just saying he's a scapegoat of choice but contributed a lot of metres

Re: Good Friday Derby : Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:43 pm  

He's not a scapegoat, he's a player not in form. Who's currently putting his team under alot of pressure with sloppy errors.

Quite rightly not in the squad after the rovers game.

Re: Good Friday Derby : Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:50 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Both teams are still miles off Saints, neither will challenge long term until they start producing top players from the academy.

I heard St Helens send their academy to a NRL pre season training camp, this is probably one main ingredient, that their youngsters are physically & mentally ready to play 1st grade.
Regarding us, we look unfit, I'd seriously look at replacing/ adjusting our fitness methods, finances permitting.

giddyupoldfella wrote:

There's no point carrying the ball all that distance if you're gonna drop it at the end.

same thing in the previous game....
another loose carry , and a scruffy play the ball ,which resulted in a try for Hudds.

Re: Good Friday Derby : Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:29 am  

weaver93 wrote:

I heard St Helens send their academy to a NRL pre season training camp, this is probably one main ingredient, that their youngsters are physically & mentally ready to play 1st grade.
Regarding us, we look unfit, I'd seriously look at replacing/ adjusting our fitness methods, finances permitting.

same thing in the previous game....
another loose carry , and a scruffy play the ball ,which resulted in a try for Hudds.

While we beat Salford at home, he was also sloppy in that game with errors, he's been consistently sloppy so far, really needs to harpen up his concentration, I like him as a player, he's just out of form and we can't keep trying to play players into form, use the squad and it might breed some consistency.

I'd bring Wynne back in personally, very unlucky to lose his place when in good form. Same with Mitch, Hodgson has the conundrum now do you pick players for their name and rep as in Carlos and Griffin, or players in form in Mitch and Wynne......