Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:10 am  

carl_spackler wrote:

I agree. People are free to do what they like, it’s just that whilst I can see certain points in both arguments about stopping attending/sticking by the club, I don’t really agree with either stance as a ‘right’ answer. It’s up to each individual, and about whether or not they get enjoyment/satisfaction from their choice but should not be used as a stick with which to beat someone holding an opposing view. People shouldn’t rip into those that will continue to attend as blind sheep, but neither can I agree with asking/expecting people to continue to attend if they’ve genuinely had enough and don’t enjoy it any more (and I really can’t abide the minority who attempt to lord it over others as ‘better’ fans). Attendances can be fairly and squarely attributed to the club (both positive and negative) and their efforts (and to a certain extent the game as a whole), rather than questioning the dedication of fans. I suppose the flip side of ‘you get what you pay for’ is ‘you reap what you sow’, and our falling attendances are an indicator of that.

Totally agree - I wouldn't tell anyone what to do or indeed criticise anyone for non-attendance - I'm not that arrogant - everyone should make their own choice. There's always been the same reaction to periods of relative success and failure by fans and there always will be.

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:35 pm  

easthull fc fan wrote:

Motu is trying to recruit better then what we have with what players are available, he is doing right by the club we should give these blokes a pat on the back & not criticise as much as we do on this forum, I suppose that's just how some folk are, glass half empty!

I am not criticising Tony. That a DOR is trying to better the squad is not news worthy of being reported. Its their job. Should they be patted on the back for being paid to do their job? If they do very well, then theydeserve praise.

As mentioned, I doubt anyone in a DOR role would come out and say "we are signing bang average players"

But I realise a few who frequent this forum actually beleive everything on here. Thats, as pointed out, is blind optomism. If we had a track record of outstanding signings, your point would have some weight. The reality is we don't have that track record.

Let just wait and see

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:44 pm  

Maybe "pat on the back" was not the correct thing for EHFC to write?

But we should encourage Motu and not slag off everything he does/says.

He's only been in the role about 6 months anyway hasn't he?

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:44 pm  

weaver93 wrote:

the HB situation, IMO.

The likes of Long,Seymour and Miller were criticised , not taking the ball to the defensive line, as
they were getting clobbered, due to no players in support.

Result - HB lacks confidence, after being smashed on a regular basis.

Ive watched Matty Smith recently, he takes the ball right to the defensive line, then at the last second,
looks to pass to a player backing up. - he can play in a dinner suit.

Until we address, players support, things will not change.

ive said this many times, esp when it comes to forwards driving the ball up.

we go forward with one forward, meaning the defence can put 3-4 in the tackle, winning the collision and the wrestle on the floor. resulting in slow play the ball. then we look totally useless.

sending 2 players or 3 players forward, the defence has to make decisions, has to put only 1-2 players in tackles, resulting in us winning collisions, and the wrestle on the floor and getting quick play of the ball, which is when we look dangerous.

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:14 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Wigan and Leeds have 4 times the number of back room staff that we do, because they are far richer. Recognition that it's not a level playing field is important and if realistic expectations off the back of it result, that's hardly something to get angry about.

If fans choose to exacerbate the situation further by withdrawing their support, that's their prerogative, but gives them a weak basis for outrage as they're dismantling our already low chances of competing with the boys at the top of the tree. How do you suggest bridging the gap?

What's the first part got to do with anything I said, Easthullfc fan is bigging up MT for doing his job, that's the thing he's just doing his job, nothing more, I don't see that he's done anything spectacular as yet or going through hoops to make things happen yet this fan is saying that he is "doing right by the club", WTF does that mean, seriously? This individual cannot see that Radford doesn't have the skillset or personal attributes to be a SL coach never mind one aiming to be competing for trophies, yet he wants fans to blindly throw their support toward him.

A person whom has already gone back on his word about leaving if he couldn't cut the mustard, a coach whom at the beginning of the season spouted rubbish about us having had a kicking coach on board for 'hours' (in the context of it being a lot more than that) when it was so plainly obvious that wasn't the case at all, the coach that can't accept that some players needed a loving rocket up their arses yet others got punished by being put on loan instead, that he's made basic tactical errors with interchange time and again, taken the oppostion for granted (Widnes was an epic failure in that respect)
I'm not withdrawing my support, I'll still go when I can because I don't want to support anyone else, if I lived in/around Hull I'd go every home game despite how poop we are, i'd go if we got relegated, the fact is I don't, a 310 mile round trip is a drag for a Friday especially coming by car, four trips including match day ticket cost me the same as a season ticket, that's just the way it is.
However as a fan, as a life long supporter I feel that the club is just existing, we made some strides in the right direction under Gentle, but seeing the bigger picture, seeing what it takes to actually make the top 4 and semi's and finals regularly with a very real chance of winning silverware evades the owners and the people involved in running the club.

The whole culture, professionalism is lacking(Gentle was the most professional thing to happen to this club in years!), people are just 'doing their jobs' without any trees being pulled up, especially by those that wield the most power/have greatest effect.
Root and branch should be exactly that, everyone needs appraising, everything single aspect of the club needs looking at by someone outside the club and comparing it to the Wigan and Leeds' of this world and beyond, looking at NFL and how they approach things..we are still so far behind it is ridiculous, the fact we got to Wembley last year was a miracle in some ways, a big pinch of that down to the coach.. This coach will probably fail to get us into the top 8.
I'm sick to death of failed promises, penny pinching, idiotic rash decisions, no backbone to follow through, no professionalism, no real clue on what it actually means to look at every angle to succeed.
The problem is that people are so set in their ways, they don't want the boat rocked for fear of losing their jobs, nobody will come in and even if they do most of the tough decisions, the most serious recommendations would be ignored or not acted upon properly, because that is what 'we' are as a club, second rate also rans with not the gumption to recognise that is what we are.

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:20 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

What's the first part got to do with anything I said, Easthullfc fan is bigging up MT for doing his job, that's the thing he's just doing his job, nothing more, I don't see that he's done anything spectacular as yet or going through hoops to make things happen yet this fan is saying that he is "doing right by the club", WTF does that mean, seriously? This individual cannot see that Radford doesn't have the skillset or personal attributes to be a SL coach never mind one aiming to be competing for trophies, yet he wants fans to blindly throw their support toward him.

A person whom has already gone back on his word about leaving if he couldn't cut the mustard, a coach whom at the beginning of the season spouted rubbish about us having had a kicking coach on board for 'hours' (in the context of it being a lot more than that) when it was so plainly obvious that wasn't the case at all, the coach that can't accept that some players needed a loving rocket up their arses yet others got punished by being put on loan instead, that he's made basic tactical errors with interchange time and again, taken the oppostion for granted (Widnes was an epic failure in that respect)
I'm not withdrawing my support, I'll still go when I can because I don't want to support anyone else, if I lived in/around Hull I'd go every home game despite how poop we are, i'd go if we got relegated, the fact is I don't, a 310 mile round trip is a drag for a Friday especially coming by car, four trips including match day ticket cost me the same as a season ticket, that's just the way it is.
However as a fan, as a life long supporter I feel that the club is just existing, we made some strides in the right direction under Gentle, but seeing the bigger picture, seeing what it takes to actually make the top 4 and semi's and finals regularly with a very real chance of winning silverware evades the owners and the people involved in running the club.

The whole culture, professionalism is lacking(Gentle was the most professional thing to happen to this club in years!), people are just 'doing their jobs' without any trees being pulled up, especially by those that wield the most power/have greatest effect.
Root and branch should be exactly that, everyone needs appraising, everything single aspect of the club needs looking at by someone outside the club and comparing it to the Wigan and Leeds' of this world and beyond, looking at NFL and how they approach things..we are still so far behind it is ridiculous, the fact we got to Wembley last year was a miracle in some ways, a big pinch of that down to the coach.. This coach will probably fail to get us into the top 8.
I'm sick to death of failed promises, penny pinching, idiotic rash decisions, no backbone to follow through, no professionalism, no real clue on what it actually means to look at every angle to succeed.
The problem is that people are so set in their ways, they don't want the boat rocked for fear of losing their jobs, nobody will come in and even if they do most of the tough decisions, the most serious recommendations would be ignored or not acted upon properly, because that is what 'we' are as a club, second rate also rans with not the gumption to recognise that is what we are.

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:20 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

What's the first part got to do with anything I said, Easthullfc fan is bigging up MT for doing his job, that's the thing he's just doing his job, nothing more, I don't see that he's done anything spectacular as yet or going through hoops to make things happen yet this fan is saying that he is "doing right by the club", WTF does that mean, seriously? This individual cannot see that Radford doesn't have the skillset or personal attributes to be a SL coach never mind one aiming to be competing for trophies, yet he wants fans to blindly throw their support toward him.

A person whom has already gone back on his word about leaving if he couldn't cut the mustard, a coach whom at the beginning of the season spouted rubbish about us having had a kicking coach on board for 'hours' (in the context of it being a lot more than that) when it was so plainly obvious that wasn't the case at all, the coach that can't accept that some players needed a loving rocket up their arses yet others got punished by being put on loan instead, that he's made basic tactical errors with interchange time and again, taken the oppostion for granted (Widnes was an epic failure in that respect)
I'm not withdrawing my support, I'll still go when I can because I don't want to support anyone else, if I lived in/around Hull I'd go every home game despite how poop we are, i'd go if we got relegated, the fact is I don't, a 310 mile round trip is a drag for a Friday especially coming by car, four trips including match day ticket cost me the same as a season ticket, that's just the way it is.
However as a fan, as a life long supporter I feel that the club is just existing, we made some strides in the right direction under Gentle, but seeing the bigger picture, seeing what it takes to actually make the top 4 and semi's and finals regularly with a very real chance of winning silverware evades the owners and the people involved in running the club.

The whole culture, professionalism is lacking(Gentle was the most professional thing to happen to this club in years!), people are just 'doing their jobs' without any trees being pulled up, especially by those that wield the most power/have greatest effect.
Root and branch should be exactly that, everyone needs appraising, everything single aspect of the club needs looking at by someone outside the club and comparing it to the Wigan and Leeds' of this world and beyond, looking at NFL and how they approach things..we are still so far behind it is ridiculous, the fact we got to Wembley last year was a miracle in some ways, a big pinch of that down to the coach.. This coach will probably fail to get us into the top 8.
I'm sick to death of failed promises, penny pinching, idiotic rash decisions, no backbone to follow through, no professionalism, no real clue on what it actually means to look at every angle to succeed.
The problem is that people are so set in their ways, they don't want the boat rocked for fear of losing their jobs, nobody will come in and even if they do most of the tough decisions, the most serious recommendations would be ignored or not acted upon properly, because that is what 'we' are as a club, second rate also rans with not the gumption to recognise that is what we are.

I don't disagree about professionalism, winning/ruthless mentality at all. Our recruitment and failure to deliver half backs of any competence is poor, clearly. But my point is this. Wigan, Leeds, Saints, Warringon, Huddersfield all have significantly more funds available to invest than us, whether through better crowds, more favourable ground arrangements, or sugar daddies. Pearson has a diminishing pot to spend as crowds are falling and the SMC deal isn't getting cheaper. He's putting money into youth, which is bearing fruit through our England academy picks. He's spending the full cap and paying fees to get targets to get a competitive first team. There's only so much left, and on the face of it, the number and quality of back room staff is "giving". Every area of expenditure is worthwhile in its own right and Powell's current form at Cas is an example of a good return on investment. But Cas aren't a long term sustainable top 4 bet IMO. Because against the depth of Wigan and Leeds and co's financial supremacy they can't compete in the medium term. The gap for us is a bit less, but getting bigger as fans stay away. If we downgrade the squad to balance the books, people will mither about that too.

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:07 pm  

You still don't get it do you..never mind...I'm wasting my breath
EDIT..hint, you don't always have to spend more money to make things better, you don't have to ask the staff to go above and beyond all the time, you don't have to insist on perfection, you don't have to have the latest 'in fashion' whatever (in relation to anything pertaining to your business), it's about having a set of goals to aim toward as individuals and as a group/organisation.
As a club we aren't ever going to get anywhere because we have an owner who doesn't have a clue, is impatient, unrealistic and dare I say it, has 'other' personal problems that manifest themselves in the way he goes about things (make of that statement what you will). We also have some in positions that just aren't cutting the mustard, that aren't able to bring to the table what is required, it's nothing personal but as an 'investor' in 'our' club I want the right people doing the right things at the right time, co-ordinated by someone who actually knows what they are doing with regard to achieving success in a professional environment..Pearson isn't that Person, nor is Radford, how much simpler can I make it?

It's the simple things like the FC live, I bought it first time it was out, £60, yeah I'll have that, quality (as in viewable quality not content) was gash(making a SKY HD broadcast into something that looks like it was recorded using a potato is a whole different level of incompetance!!!) but sure they'll make it better, club says we are going to make it better yadda yadda. Did it, answer no! Did the club bother responding to my email regarding such..answer, no! Did they lose my business for purchasing the package, yes! I explained I'd have been happy to pay more for better quality but obviously they aren't interested in such things.. that's just the tip of the iceberg frankly.

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:11 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

You still don't get it do you..never mind...I'm wasting my breath

Re: rumours on twitter : Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:13 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

What's the first part got to do with anything I said, Easthullfc fan is bigging up MT for doing his job, that's the thing he's just doing his job, nothing more, I don't see that he's done anything spectacular as yet or going through hoops to make things happen yet this fan is saying that he is "doing right by the club", WTF does that mean, seriously? This individual cannot see that Radford doesn't have the skillset or personal attributes to be a SL coach never mind one aiming to be competing for trophies, yet he wants fans to blindly throw their support toward him.

A person whom has already gone back on his word about leaving if he couldn't cut the mustard, a coach whom at the beginning of the season spouted rubbish about us having had a kicking coach on board for 'hours' (in the context of it being a lot more than that) when it was so plainly obvious that wasn't the case at all, the coach that can't accept that some players needed a loving rocket up their arses yet others got punished by being put on loan instead, that he's made basic tactical errors with interchange time and again, taken the oppostion for granted (Widnes was an epic failure in that respect)
I'm not withdrawing my support, I'll still go when I can because I don't want to support anyone else, if I lived in/around Hull I'd go every home game despite how poop we are, i'd go if we got relegated, the fact is I don't, a 310 mile round trip is a drag for a Friday especially coming by car, four trips including match day ticket cost me the same as a season ticket, that's just the way it is.
However as a fan, as a life long supporter I feel that the club is just existing, we made some strides in the right direction under Gentle, but seeing the bigger picture, seeing what it takes to actually make the top 4 and semi's and finals regularly with a very real chance of winning silverware evades the owners and the people involved in running the club.

The whole culture, professionalism is lacking(Gentle was the most professional thing to happen to this club in years!), people are just 'doing their jobs' without any trees being pulled up, especially by those that wield the most power/have greatest effect.
Root and branch should be exactly that, everyone needs appraising, everything single aspect of the club needs looking at by someone outside the club and comparing it to the Wigan and Leeds' of this world and beyond, looking at NFL and how they approach things..we are still so far behind it is ridiculous, the fact we got to Wembley last year was a miracle in some ways, a big pinch of that down to the coach.. This coach will probably fail to get us into the top 8.
I'm sick to death of failed promises, penny pinching, idiotic rash decisions, no backbone to follow through, no professionalism, no real clue on what it actually means to look at every angle to succeed.
The problem is that people are so set in their ways, they don't want the boat rocked for fear of losing their jobs, nobody will come in and even if they do most of the tough decisions, the most serious recommendations would be ignored or not acted upon properly, because that is what 'we' are as a club, second rate also rans with not the gumption to recognise that is what we are.

A really well thought out post which sums it up perfectly.