Re: Discipline : Mon May 01, 2017 3:21 pm  

ccs wrote:

Stats can be interpreted to back up many arguments, but I honestly don't believe that these particular stats show that we have discipline issues.

best of luck with that then

ccs wrote:

Look at Catalans, they are now 6th in the penalty count, not bottom as you were arguing yesterday. And our stats aren't as "bad" now compared to other teams, now that the figures have been updated.

I'm not arguing I'm trying without being a dude to point out the blatantly obvious, Hull still have 8 cards, they are still top of the penalty count bar Leigh, Wire are 4th from bottom with a p count of 89.
Catalans, Shudds, Saints, Wire, it hardly matters, they all have superior penalty counts despite being at the bottom end of the table, my point was and is still valid, nothing has changed, but then you knew that before you posted.
I can see why Leigh could concede the penalties they have and cop the cards they have, 1st season in SL, they're struggling somewhat to compete at times on varying levels, there'll be a fair bit of frustration rolled in to that, What's Hulls excuse, why would a top of the table club have a similar penalty count of a bottom of the table club.
I'm not drawing anymore pictures, that's it.

Re: Discipline : Mon May 01, 2017 5:31 pm  

Don't think anyone can argue with 2/3 matchs, luckily he didn't injure Atkins as it would have been a lot more.

Re: Discipline : Mon May 01, 2017 7:19 pm  

Upanunder wrote:

What's Hulls excuse, why would a top of the table club have a similar penalty count of a bottom of the table club.

Hull's penalty count is currently 0.7 penalties per game higher than the average. Hardly earth shattering.

Not much worse than Wakefield, for example, who also have a higher than average penalty count.

Re: Discipline : Mon May 01, 2017 10:01 pm  

ccs wrote:

Hull's penalty count is currently 0.7 penalties per game higher than the average. Hardly earth shattering.

Not much worse than Wakefield, for example, who also have a higher than average penalty count.

Exactly.

Re: Discipline : Mon May 01, 2017 10:06 pm  

leeds (who won back to back to back) titles with the highest penalty count during one of those seasons

Re: Discipline : Tue May 02, 2017 1:00 pm  

Have a look at Mark Percival's tackle on , I think , Ryan Hampshire. It's at 21.37 on the Beeb's Super League show. There was no penalty on the field. There was a tackle by Percival referred by the match review panel , ON 483/17 on the RFL Disciplinary section although that one shows the victim to be Higson and looks to be later than the incident I'm referring to and it implies a penalty was given. There was no charge for the one referred although it was accepted that the player made contact with the jaw and a penalty was sufficient. The referee and linesmen must have missed the first one but what's the excuse for the match review panel? It was a swinging arm which made contact with the head. Percival scored a try and made another possibly during a time when he should have been in the bin or , using the Watts case logic , he should have been red carded. Looks to me like the only difference is that Hampshire wasn't injured and didn't make a fuss but Percival looks to have had two incidents in one game and received no charge and only one penalty. His disciplinary record and that of Saints are effectively unaffected. Yes we've got to be smarter but under this regime it's a lottery.

Re: Discipline : Tue May 02, 2017 2:01 pm  

We are a very aggressive, physical team, and when you tread the line like that you are always going to concede a fair amount of penalties. It comes with the territory. I dont have stats to back it up but I'm pretty sure sucessful teams of the past have never conceded the fewest penalties. If we had the choice between conceding less penalties and being the most aggressive, intimidating team in the league I would choose the latter, every time. Maybe if the likes of Wire and Saints were a bit more willing to get their hands dirty they might be a bit further up the table. What I dont want to see however is players stepping over the line like Manu last week, thats indefensible.

Re: Discipline : Tue May 02, 2017 2:19 pm  

Good post

Re: Discipline : Tue May 02, 2017 4:19 pm  

Manu suspended for 2 games.

Re: Discipline : Tue May 02, 2017 4:22 pm  

Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:

We are a very aggressive, physical team, and when you tread the line like that you are always going to concede a fair amount of penalties. It comes with the territory. I dont have stats to back it up but I'm pretty sure sucessful teams of the past have never conceded the fewest penalties. If we had the choice between conceding less penalties and being the most aggressive, intimidating team in the league I would choose the latter, every time. Maybe if the likes of Wire and Saints were a bit more willing to get their hands dirty they might be a bit further up the table. What I dont want to see however is players stepping over the line like Manu last week, thats indefensible.

Although this is going back a few year, circa 2000-2003 ish, When Mal Reilly was coach of Huddersfield, he drilled the players into making as few errors as possible. Such was Mal's standing in the game (and that his was still a fairly handy lad) The Hudds players rarely threw the ball about in fear of getting on Reilly's bad side.

Hudds finished the season with the fewest handling errors and bottom of the league!.

Similar situation.