Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:18 am  

chico's nose wrote:

After what I witnessed on friday night, I would pretty much understand (not condone) anything Agar did or said to Child, as long as he didn't buy him a pint

I suspect he might be off the Christmas card list too.

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:31 am  

Chris28 wrote:

I suspect he might be off the Christmas card list too.

Unless it's one of those where Agar cuts letters out of newspapers to spell the words. Hope he remembers to wear gloves otherwise he might get caught out like they do on the films!!

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:26 pm  

Big Dave T wrote:

As per usual it's a combination of incompetent officiating, not just the referee. I'm not even sure what touch judges really do in the modern game. They definately don't come on the pitch as much as they did in the 80s for example. I know they are linked by radio now but what do they really do.

Our game definately needs investment in officiating as a number 1 priority, far more important than expanding the game for me.

As you say, they are mic'd up, so there's not so much need for them to enter the field, they can communicate by radio.

TJs are still under the instruction of the referee and their input will depend on what the referee seems appropriate. By all means criticise TJs for missing an offence but remember, if they've seen it, they may have been instructed to do nothing but verbally report it over the radio

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:49 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

As you say, they are mic'd up, so there's not so much need for them to enter the field, they can communicate by radio.

TJs are still under the instruction of the referee and their input will depend on what the referee seems appropriate. By all means criticise TJs for missing an offence but remember, if they've seen it, they may have been instructed to do nothing but verbally report it over the radio

Ok, i'm happy to keep blaming Child then!!

As an aside, i'm interested in your view of the future of refereeing. Do you agree it needs serious investment?

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:00 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

As you say, they are mic'd up, so there's not so much need for them to enter the field, they can communicate by radio.

TJs are still under the instruction of the referee and their input will depend on what the referee seems appropriate. By all means criticise TJs for missing an offence but remember, if they've seen it, they may have been instructed to do nothing but verbally report it over the radio

That for me is a big issue that brings us back to the ref. Surely the officials are there to uphold the laws of the game, not ignore offences because the man who can run around a bit more (rather than just up and down) decides that?

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:14 pm  

I now find it almost laughable that Agar is in bother for breaking the "REPECT" code or whaterever the RFL want to call it this week. When are the RFL going to respect not only coach's and players opinions and safety, but also the opinion of FANS. By taking no action against Child and sweeping it under the carpet and hoping that we will all forget about it, the RFL have managed to make this fan feel utterly disrespected

Totally understand your frustration we have had James Child at MM and at your place on Friday and the guy has me pulling my hair out. However the respect campaign has been going for some time and it was put in place to ensure a safe and resectable environment in which to play and watch RL be that at amateur or professional level.

Having been involved with Junior and youth rugby for a number of years we have to teach players parents coaching staff and spectators how to operate within the Respect banner. How can I tell an 8 year old that he is not allowed to rant and rave at a referee if he see's a professional doing it.

Agar is paid enough to know that he should act in a professional manner at all times and any complaints should be made in the correct manner, even in the most trying of situations (otherwise known as being at a game Mr Child ref's)

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:51 pm  

tropical1 wrote:

Totally understand your frustration we have had James Child at MM and at your place on Friday and the guy has me pulling my hair out. However the respect campaign has been going for some time and it was put in place to ensure a safe and resectable environment in which to play and watch RL be that at amateur or professional level.

Having been involved with Junior and youth rugby for a number of years we have to teach players parents coaching staff and spectators how to operate within the Respect banner. How can I tell an 8 year old that he is not allowed to rant and rave at a referee if he see's a professional doing it.

Agar is paid enough to know that he should act in a professional manner at all times and any complaints should be made in the correct manner, even in the most trying of situations (otherwise known as being at a game Mr Child ref's)

thats a very fair post indeed...im sure having slept on it RA thinks that way now too

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:52 pm  

tropical1 wrote:

Totally understand your frustration we have had James Child at MM and at your place on Friday and the guy has me pulling my hair out. However the respect campaign has been going for some time and it was put in place to ensure a safe and resectable environment in which to play and watch RL be that at amateur or professional level.

Having been involved with Junior and youth rugby for a number of years we have to teach players parents coaching staff and spectators how to operate within the Respect banner. How can I tell an 8 year old that he is not allowed to rant and rave at a referee if he see's a professional doing it.

Agar is paid enough to know that he should act in a professional manner at all times and any complaints should be made in the correct manner, even in the most trying of situations (otherwise known as being at a game Mr Child ref's)

Quite agree with what you say, but respect has to work both ways. It could be argued that both Hull FC and Castleford where not shown respect/professionalism by the official in charge, or by the people who continue to put him in charge of top teer games when his record is there for all to see.

[Kosh]

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:54 pm  

tropical1 wrote:

Totally understand your frustration we have had James Child at MM and at your place on Friday and the guy has me pulling my hair out. However the respect campaign has been going for some time and it was put in place to ensure a safe and resectable environment in which to play and watch RL be that at amateur or professional level.

Having been involved with Junior and youth rugby for a number of years we have to teach players parents coaching staff and spectators how to operate within the Respect banner. How can I tell an 8 year old that he is not allowed to rant and rave at a referee if he see's a professional doing it.

Agar is paid enough to know that he should act in a professional manner at all times and any complaints should be made in the correct manner, even in the most trying of situations (otherwise known as being at a game Mr Child ref's)

All the more reason to question why Noble wasn't charged after berating the officials at the Crusaders game last season in full view of an 11,000+ crowd at the KC.

Re: Childs : Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:56 pm  

Kosh wrote:

All the more reason to question why Noble wasn't charged after berating the officials at the Crusaders game last season in full view of an 11,000+ crowd at the KC.

maybe Jonn Sharp ordered it