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| Quote fc baldy="fc baldy"Agree about defence,high ball i disagree with.....Trys yes but most are from close,dont think he could create a try himself......i know he "tales?" the ball up but he spoils it by slinging out a bloody daft offload......overall...he is a poor version of Jason Robinson.
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Some of the "close Range" tries he has scored over the years have being insane. He's a quality finisher and more often then not comes up with the goods.
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| Quote Standee="Standee"Disagree, he's not as good as people want to make us believe.'"
As "people", who are these people? I for one have my own set of eyes and I'm capable of making my own mind up. Frankly suggesting others have an opinion simply because its suggested to them, is somewhat insulting.
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| Quote BalearicHullFan="BalearicHullFan"As "people", who are these people? I for one have my own set of eyes and I'm capable of making my own mind up. Frankly suggesting others have an opinion simply because its suggested to them, is somewhat insulting.'"
Only insulting if you chose to take it that way, Raynor is a solid, average winger (imho), the fact he is one of the best British wingers says more about the lack of development in that position than his abilities (again, imvho)
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| Quote Standee="Standee"Only insulting if you chose to take it that way, Raynor is a solid, average winger (imho), the fact he is one of the best British wingers says more about the lack of development in that position than his abilities (again, imvho)'"
Your opinion is not valid, it was clearly suggested to you by other people.
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| Quote ComeOnYouUll="ComeOnYouUll"I was just playing devil's advocate
That said 8 tries in 26 games last year was a disappointing return.
Have to say, though, Caldewood - Briscoe - Yeaman - Raynor looks pretty handy.'"
Couldn't agree more - Briscoe's handled everything with aplomb so far, so why delay in putting him in to his favoured position? I don't think Graham Horne has done badly - to be fair I don't think anyone has done badly and I'm really enthused by such a positive start - but Calderwood must be wondering what he has to do to get a pass from him at times. Nice selection dilemma for the coach to have anyway...which certainly makes a change from last year.
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| As far as Raynor goes, his try scoring record is OK without being exceptional. Fifteen SL tries in the last two seasons, although he scored 29 between 2006-07. His try scoring ratio over the last four seasons was very similar to Matt Sing and before him Nathan Blacklock, although they both got far more criticism, oddly enough.
Anyway, back on topic
Tom is one of the more exciting prospects in Super League and I hope he gets an extended run in the first team, be it on the wing or in the centres.
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| Quote Standee="Standee"Disagree, he's not as good as people want to make us believe.'"
These people being...?
Sorry, but I have seen Raynor play 100+ times for FC with my own eyes. He is an excellent player, and one of our best. I MO.
I managed to form this opinion on my own, unless you are suggesting I was unduly influenced by the subliminal message "Raynor is a top player" that is hidden in the recording of Old Faithful played at home games. 
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| I basically see it as Raynor, Briscoe and G.Horne competing for 2 slots, i also think that raynor has a very good understanding with yeaman. His try scoring record is irrelevant when you consider how many tries yeaman has scored over the last 3 years (42 in sl i think) i prefer to think of the centre and winger as a strike partnership. so it's horne or briscoe at right centre for me, and how do you leave tom out? although he should be rested now and again to prevent burnout. all imo of course.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"These people being...?
Sorry, but I have seen Raynor play 100+ times for FC with my own eyes. He is an excellent player, and one of our best. IMO.
I managed to form this opinion on my own, unless you are suggesting I was unduly influenced by the subliminal message "Raynor is a top player" that is hidden in the recording of Old Faithful played at home games.
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I've seen him play about the same number of times, and I don't agree, if we played the game with the pitch sideways I might have a different opinion.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"
Sorry, but I have seen Raynor play 100+ times for FC with my own eyes. He is an excellent player, and one of our best. IMO.'"
being a great player for us considering where his career was at when he arrived at Hull and fully justified his selection for international honours.
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| Quote Standee="Standee"I've seen him play about the same number of times, and I don't agree, if we played the game with the pitch sideways I might have a different opinion.'" He has 30 tries in his last 66 super league appearances, i'm sorry but that's not too shabby imo. Don't really see how you can argue with his sideways running. He runs along the line looking for a little gap and how many times has he made a half break through doing this? also runs the ball well from dummy half allowing the forwards a break. Don't really see what else he can do for the team  .
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| Quote east hull FC fan="east hull FC fan"He has 30 tries in his last 66 super league appearances, i'm sorry but that's not too shabby imo. Don't really see how you can argue with his sideways running. He runs along the line looking for a little gap and how many times has he made a half break through doing this? also runs the ball well from dummy half allowing the forwards a break. Don't really see what else he can do for the team
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A 50% success rate in a team with the worst attack in the competition sounds like top quality to me. If he'd been playing outside gidley and lyon for the last few years he'd have been by far and away the top try scorer. His defence and kick chase are the best of any winger in the competition. I remember a wonder tackle on henry fa'afili a couple of years ago and also the try he scored in Oz when chasing a kick everyone else had given up on. His only failing for me is his injury record
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