[Kosh]

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:38 am  

frepneyboy wrote:

They have a secret hidden form too?

It's not hidden. Or secret for that matter. I think it pre-dates RLFans.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:40 am  

Think would be big loss losing Tickle

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:40 am  

Kosh wrote:

I have a feeling the wages for the full season would count on the cap. That certainly used to be the case. However you can get round that by staging payments so that their 'annual wage' for this season is only 40k and goes up to 120k next season.

I was under the impression the "live" salary cap meant that this was not the case? Surely if we sign someone mid-season only the wages we actually pay them within the salary cap year would count?

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:46 am  

hullandbroncos wrote:

Think would be big loss losing Tickle

We've got a good back row though. Let him go, give Kent more of a chance and spend his money in other areas.

On the subject of Chase he has real faults in his personality but as a player he would improve us hugely.

[Kosh]

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:46 am  

Robbo4 wrote:

I was under the impression the "live" salary cap meant that this was not the case? Surely if we sign someone mid-season only the wages we actually pay them within the salary cap year would count?

All the 'live' cap means is that your cap position is assessed continuously throughout the season rather than a retrospective audit at the end. As far as I know the position remains that as soon as a player plays one cap-relevant match his wages count over the entire season.

EDIT: Here you go...

5.4.2 where the Club proposes to register a Player part-way through the Salary Cap Year,
the RSCM shall calculate the Salary Cap Value of the Player, in accordance with the
usual principles, as if the Player was employed by the Club for the entire Salary Cap
Year.

Comment to Clause 5.4.2: For example, where a Player enters into a Playing
Contract with a new Club commencing on 1 June (ie 6 months into the Salary Cap
Year) and providing that he will (for the remaining six months of the Salary Cap
Year): (i) be paid a Gross salary of £5,000 per month; (ii) receive benefits to the
Gross value of £1,000 per month; and (iii) be paid £250 per appearance, for the
purposes of the Regulations, the Salary Cap Value for that Player, as at the date of
joining the new Club, will be £76,500, calculated as follows:

(i) £60,000 (ie £5,000 salary per month x 12 months);
(ii) £12,000 (ie £1,000 benefits per month x 12 months); and
(iii) £4,500 (ie £250 per appearance x 18 assumed appearances, in accordance
with clause 5.6.3, below).

Further comment to Clause 5.4.2: See Clause 6.1.2 for a Club’s treatment of the
termination of a Playing Contract part-way through a Salary Cap Year.

My emphasis.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:59 am  

Kosh wrote:

All the 'live' cap means is that your cap position is assessed continuously throughout the season rather than a retrospective audit at the end. As far as I know the position remains that as soon as a player plays one cap-relevant match his wages count over the entire season.

I don't know either way, but does that mean that some players (Watts, Pitts etc) are counted on the cap for both clubs? I'd assume that only the money we actually pay them count on the cap for us, and the money Leeds/Rovers have paid them count on the cap for them?

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:00 am  

fc baldy wrote:

I hope we dont......petulant,cheap shot merchant and vastly over-rated and we would be asking for trouble with him,westerman and Watts in the team.

agree, he's a talent, but he's also a tw@

[Kosh]

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:04 am  

Goochie wrote:

I don't know either way, but does that mean that some players (Watts, Pitts etc) are counted on the cap for both clubs? I'd assume that only the money we actually pay them count on the cap for us, and the money Leeds/Rovers have paid them count on the cap for them?

Not quite. Using Watts as an example, his wages while at Rovers count against their total cap liability for the season; now he's with us his wages for the entire season count against our aggregate cap liability. So he kinda overlaps for the period he was at Rovers.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:08 am  

Kosh wrote:

All the 'live' cap means is that your cap position is assessed continuously throughout the season rather than a retrospective audit at the end. As far as I know the position remains that as soon as a player plays one cap-relevant match his wages count over the entire season.

EDIT: Here you go...

My emphasis.

So in theory a players entire seasons wage could count on several clubs salary caps? One of the RFLs more stupid rules and there are several to choose from. It kind of makes sense in the Radford example but any wages already being accounted for on another clubs salary cap should never be duplicated on another clubs salary cap, especially when said player was never paid that money by the new club.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:11 am  

Kosh wrote:

Not quite. Using Watts as an example, his wages while at Rovers count against their total cap liability for the season; now he's with us his wages for the entire season count against our aggregate cap liability. So he kinda overlaps for the period he was at Rovers.

Thats how I understand it as well - but bear in mind we have created space in losing McKinnon who would have been a part year cost in the same vein as O'Carroll and Ellis (if we have released him now), so we would not have had the full year liability for their costs. If Heremaia was being paid under insurance following injury, I am not sure how his salary would be counted on the cap, or whether he is only on the cap as of now.