Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:45 pm  

It’s not as if Saints, Leeds, Wigan and Wire are spending double what we are though. It’s a sport governed by a salary cap.
What becomes crucial is your coaching staff. I don’t buy us being a level below the teams I mentioned.
Hull are a big club in Super League, and relatively well resourced. Any attempt to make us believe we should be happy with our lot just won’t wash.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:48 am  

Coaching is the X factor
Simple as that
We currently have the D- factor

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:25 am  

According to Scott Taylor in today's HDM, we need to look at the bigger picture and be thankful we're clinging on to 5th place instead of cementing 2nd spot because we finished last season badly.
Well that's OK then.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:44 am  

What he doesn't grasp, is that the picture can change. The league is poor this year, and 2nd was easily achievable so the end goal should have been adjusted a quarter of the way through the season and make it the minimum expectation, not then revert back to top 5 as being a good year because we showed no friggin bottle or desire

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:54 am  

Zuider wrote:

According to Scott Taylor in today's HDM, we need to look at the bigger picture and be thankful we're clinging on to 5th place instead of cementing 2nd spot because we finished last season badly.
Well that's OK then.

it was the "as a leader" comment that made me laugh.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:17 am  

Zuider wrote:

According to Scott Taylor in today's HDM, we need to look at the bigger picture and be thankful we're clinging on to 5th place instead of cementing 2nd spot because we finished last season badly.
Well that's OK then.

I think there are two points to this,

One at the start of the season most of us would have been overjoyed with a 5th place finish, but to be so close to a 2nd place and just throw it away is the really disapointting aspect.

Two, it isn't just about the league position, it is about the performances and entertainment and there has been too many shocking performances this year and the style of rugby apart from the odd game has been so boring.

Moving forward we need to try and finish the season positively starting with a win this week and then have a real go at the play offs, I don't mind getter beat at Wigan, Salford etc this season with our squad, but I want to have a big effort and go into next season with positive vibes.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:28 am  

Dave K. wrote:

a big effort and go into next season with positive vibes.

I guess we just put 2019 in the "what could have been" pile and look forward to next year, but without new halves and/or attacking plays it could be more crash, bang, wallop.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:31 am  

Dave K. wrote:

I think there are two points to this,

One at the start of the season most of us would have been overjoyed with a 5th place finish, but to be so close to a 2nd place and just throw it away is the really disapointting aspect.

Two, it isn't just about the league position, it is about the performances and entertainment and there has been too many shocking performances this year and the style of rugby apart from the odd game has been so boring.

Moving forward we need to try and finish the season positively starting with a win this week and then have a real go at the play offs, I don't mind getter beat at Wigan, Salford etc this season with our squad, but I want to have a big effort and go into next season with positive vibes.

I agree with that Dave.

On point 2 however that could be a cut and paste from any of Radford 's past seasons in charge and that's what disappoints me.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:08 am  

Irregular Hoops wrote:

It’s not as if Saints, Leeds, Wigan and Wire are spending double what we are though. It’s a sport governed by a salary cap.
What becomes crucial is your coaching staff. I don’t buy us being a level below the teams I mentioned.
Hull are a big club in Super League, and relatively well resourced. Any attempt to make us believe we should be happy with our lot just won’t wash.

Don't forget that extra backroom staff cost extra money, less of an issue when you've got a wealthy backer.
And I wouldn't call our lease agreement with the SMC particularly lucrative, considering they take a percentage (50%?) of gate money above a certain attendance (8k?).

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:09 am  

ive stuck by Radford but the last 2 games its the apathy whats hit me hardest, I hope behind closed doors its different, this thurs is a massive game for us all, players coach and supporters, come on FC give us fans something to cling onto,