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Re: Round 4 v Wakefield Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:20 pm  

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Didn't matter in the end but why did Thaler send this up as a No Try and why didn't the video ref overrule it?

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Because the refs and video refs are completely useless


I believe it is because in the process of the ball leaving his right hand the ball is resting on the wakey players leg and in contact. The moment when he transfers the ball from his right hand to left hand it looked to me like it bobbled.

It’s a 50/50 one. Wakey have had multiple this year chalked off. If the ref had sent as try it would have been given but there was enough to not overule the “no try” on field call.

I’ve felt hard done to as wakey have been in wrong end of loads of these. I personally think the on field call should be abolished and it should simply be sent up.

To be perfectly honest though I’m not sure if it was this try but the set leading up to one of Hulls try’sa hull player lost the ball (juggled it) and it hit a wakey defender and shot back to a hull player. Ref gave 6 again but was clearly a know on. I think it either led to this or a previous try so I was fuming at that but you just have to accept these decisions happen. It’s a sad state of affairs really but I feel the officials are right up against it. I’m not sure if 2 refs is the answer either.
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Re: Round 4 v Wakefield Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:37 pm  

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I picked it up at the time. He was in the line and Wood was sliding but “blocked” albeit momentarily the gap that was hit was where wood was sliding. Wood did not “take the bait” as he didn’t attempt to tackle Savelio but was sliding and simply blocked.

You have seen trys chalked off for far less and if it had gone up it could have been chalked off.

We can cry that we lost yet another player for HIA for the next game and this game too big the way cards are handed out and band is such a confusing element of the game you just lose all interest. As always the team that follows will benefit.

Not that I think we deserved to win. We lost composure in the final 10 gifting hull possession with silly offloads and mistakes in our own half. At least we didn’t collapse for a 20-30 minute spell this week.

We are up against it though as I think Hampshire broke his jaw and Jowitt could miss 4 weeks due to 2 concussions.

Add that to the current injury list.

Jowitt
Hampshire
TJ
Miller
Ashurst
Tupou
Josh Wood
A.Walker

I swear someone at wakey has smashed too many mirrors.




Saveillo didn't change his run into the defender, he is entitled to run that line. Woods hand also ended up around Saviello which is odd for a player not attempting to tackle..
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Re: Round 4 v Wakefield Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:01 pm  

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Trojan Horse wrote:
I believe it is because in the process of the ball leaving his right hand the ball is resting on the wakey players leg and in contact. The moment when he transfers the ball from his right hand to left hand it looked to me like it bobbled.

It’s a 50/50 one. Wakey have had multiple this year chalked off. If the ref had sent as try it would have been given but there was enough to not overule the “no try” on field call.

I’ve felt hard done to as wakey have been in wrong end of loads of these. I personally think the on field call should be abolished and it should simply be sent up.

To be perfectly honest though I’m not sure if it was this try but the set leading up to one of Hulls try’sa hull player lost the ball (juggled it) and it hit a wakey defender and shot back to a hull player. Ref gave 6 again but was clearly a know on. I think it either led to this or a previous try so I was fuming at that but you just have to accept these decisions happen. It’s a sad state of affairs really but I feel the officials are right up against it. I’m not sure if 2 refs is the answer either.


To be honest (and I'm genuinely not having a go at you, Trojan Horse) we ALL tend to see things in the game from our own perspective and focus on our own team's bad luck/calls (me included), usually ignoring the bad luck/calls that the opposition get. For example, for Wakey's 3rd try it looked very much like the player chasing down Sneyd's kick (Batchelor?) COULD be offside, and if he isn't then, unless I'm mistaken, the player lying the wrong side of the tackle on Taylor (Mason Lino) who gets the ball from Batchelor's charge-down IS definitely offside and can't get involved in the next play (and can't be played onside). Thus the try should not have been awarded.

So we all cite examples of being hard done by, without the balance of things that went our way.
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Re: Round 4 v Wakefield Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:12 pm  

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pmarrow wrote:
Trojan Horse wrote:
I picked it up at the time. He was in the line and Wood was sliding but “blocked” albeit momentarily the gap that was hit was where wood was sliding. Wood did not “take the bait” as he didn’t attempt to tackle Savelio but was sliding and simply blocked.

You have seen trys chalked off for far less and if it had gone up it could have been chalked off.

We can cry that we lost yet another player for HIA for the next game and this game too big the way cards are handed out and band is such a confusing element of the game you just lose all interest. As always the team that follows will benefit.

Not that I think we deserved to win. We lost composure in the final 10 gifting hull possession with silly offloads and mistakes in our own half. At least we didn’t collapse for a 20-30 minute spell this week.

We are up against it though as I think Hampshire broke his jaw and Jowitt could miss 4 weeks due to 2 concussions.

Add that to the current injury list.

Jowitt
Hampshire
TJ
Miller
Ashurst
Tupou
Josh Wood
A.Walker

I swear someone at wakey has smashed too many mirrors.




Saveillo didn't change his run into the defender, he is entitled to run that line. Woods hand also ended up around Saviello which is odd for a player not attempting to tackle..


While I get what your saying Wood was sliding laterally and Savelio was in the line which i the cause of the contact. I’m not quite sure what you wanted Wood to do. I don’t think phasing through Savelio was an option...
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Re: Round 4 v Wakefield Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:14 pm  

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To be honest (and I'm genuinely not having a go at you, Trojan Horse) we ALL tend to see things in the game from our own perspective and focus on our own team's bad luck/calls (me included), usually ignoring the bad luck/calls that the opposition get. For example, for Wakey's 3rd try it looked very much like the player chasing down Sneyd's kick (Batchelor?) COULD be offside, and if he isn't then, unless I'm mistaken, the player lying the wrong side of the tackle on Taylor (Mason Lino) who gets the ball from Batchelor's charge-down IS definitely offside and can't get involved in the next play (and can't be played onside). Thus the try should not have been awarded.

So we all cite examples of being hard done by, without the balance of things that went our way.


No worries, I guess it highlights the issues in officiating we have when both sets of fans can pick so many faults for their respective teams.

I respect the refs have a tough job but I think they need more help and the officiating structure needs looking at.
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