Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:58 pm  

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Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:06 am  

Very touching lot of posts. Stop trying to defend your Club and/or saying your the only Club which meets the SL requirements. It's an independent group within the RFL who will decide if Widnes is a suitable club for promotion and your posts are of no help towards this result.

Personally I have no view on your application except to say would prefer Toulouse get the nod.

Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:28 am  

stormingbronco wrote:

Very touching lot of posts. Stop trying to defend your Club and/or saying your the only Club which meets the SL requirements. It's an independent group within the RFL who will decide if Widnes is a suitable club for promotion and your posts are of no help towards this result.

Personally I have no view on your application except to say would prefer Toulouse get the nod.

Thas, bye now

Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:25 am  

Maximus Decimus wrote:

Here's the point, they come across that way if you're looking at.

The fact is that Widnes are only really ever spoken about by other clubs when we're being attacked and undermined. The reason we are being attacked is because we are clear favourites to be promoted. Of course Widnes fans will get defensive, especially when the attacks are so ignorant of the reality of the situation. We get criticised for playing to the rules that the RFL stated. We get criticised for our on the field performance when we spent up to the cap as did many other teams whilst trying to being youth through instead of higher profile players. We also seem to get the brunt of the anti-RFL anti-licensing crowd.

So you're often reading Widnes fans defending themselves against fans of other clubs. You class this as arrogant but I wouldn't.

I'd very much disagree with that

90 % of the posts about widnes tend to be stating the obvious , that you are the club that should should get a SL spot and you shpould have got one last time

However some recent post have come about because of your ' relatively ' poor show on the pitch this season [ however given the very competitive nature of the Championship from 2 nd to 9th , it is hardly surprising ] , and because of the quite incredible [ by sporting club standards ] financial figures you have posted

The vast majority of fans , even those that have questioned those 2 subjects have admiited you should get a SL spot on merit

Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:59 pm  

stormingbronco wrote:

Very touching lot of posts. Stop trying to defend your Club and/or saying your the only Club which meets the SL requirements. It's an independent group within the RFL who will decide if Widnes is a suitable club for promotion and your posts are of no help towards this result.

Personally I have no view on your application except to say would prefer Toulouse get the nod.

What a pointless post.

There's nothing worse than somebody who doesn't see the point in forums yet comes on one to say so.

Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:07 pm  

Starbug wrote:

I'd very much disagree with that

90 % of the posts about widnes tend to be stating the obvious , that you are the club that should should get a SL spot and you shpould have got one last time

However some recent post have come about because of your ' relatively ' poor show on the pitch this season [ however given the very competitive nature of the Championship from 2 nd to 9th , it is hardly surprising ] , and because of the quite incredible [ by sporting club standards ] financial figures you have posted

The vast majority of fans , even those that have questioned those 2 subjects have admiited you should get a SL spot on merit

What I was saying was the only time fans of other clubs generally come across Widnes is on a franchising/licensing thread. These often descend into arguments between those that think Widnes should get a license and those that don't.

The bit in bold is the reason why it happens so often. Too often people come up with the simplistic argument that Widnes shouldn't get a spot because we have finished 5th and the winners should go up. This then leads to Widnes fans (and others) putting them straight because it's a nonsense argument. Whether you support P&R or not, we haven't had P&R in place so you can't criticise Widnes for playing the game.

The bit in bold is the reason it rankles most. The cap is lowered so that teams can compete with Widnes and create the fantastically competitive league that we have now. Yet the fact that Widnes cannot dominate the league under this cap for some reason makes people think that we shouldn't go up at the expense of other clubs that score much poorer everywhere else.

Widnes fans aren't arrogant in the slightest, or no more so than any other clubs. However when your constantly defending yourselves against stupid claims like those, it could easily appear arrogant. If there were no stupid claims there would be no 'arrogance.'

Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:26 pm  

stormingbronco wrote:

.....It's an independent group within the RFL who will decide if Widnes is a suitable club for promotion....

there there, of course it is

Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:13 pm  

Maximus Decimus wrote:

What I was saying was the only time fans of other clubs generally come across Widnes is on a franchising/licensing thread. These often descend into arguments between those that think Widnes should get a license and those that don't.

The bit in bold is the reason why it happens so often. Too often people come up with the simplistic argument that Widnes shouldn't get a spot because we have finished 5th and the winners should go up. This then leads to Widnes fans (and others) putting them straight because it's a nonsense argument. Whether you support P&R or not, we haven't had P&R in place so you can't criticise Widnes for playing the game.

The bit in bold is the reason it rankles most. The cap is lowered so that teams can compete with Widnes and create the fantastically competitive league that we have now. Yet the fact that Widnes cannot dominate the league under this cap for some reason makes people think that we shouldn't go up at the expense of other clubs that score much poorer everywhere else.

Widnes fans aren't arrogant in the slightest, or no more so than any other clubs. However when your constantly defending yourselves against stupid claims like those, it could easily appear arrogant. If there were no stupid claims there would be no 'arrogance.'

I may be wrong here but didn't Widnes post £1 million loss last year? So with their "£1 million profit" this year would cancel out last years losses. I think you will find the cap was lowered to support clubs in general NOT to ALLOW them to keep up with a club that until this year (accounts still to be posted) has just come out of administration and seemingly posted profits.
As I said I may be wrong.....

Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:17 pm  

soss wrote:

I may be wrong here but didn't Widnes post £1 million loss last year? So with their "£1 million profit" this year would cancel out last years losses. I think you will find the cap was lowered to support clubs in general NOT to ALLOW them to keep up with a club that until this year (accounts still to be posted) has just come out of administration and seemingly posted profits.
As I said I may be wrong.....

Slightly wrong as accounts are dated a further year back so the 1 mill profit was the year of 400k cap! Plus the million loss was club updates if you like... Well worth it too in SO'Cs opinion!

Re: WIDNES ARE CHEATS!! : Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:34 pm  

soss wrote:

I may be wrong here but didn't Widnes post £1 million loss last year? So with their "£1 million profit" this year would cancel out last years losses. I think you will find the cap was lowered to support clubs in general NOT to ALLOW them to keep up with a club that until this year (accounts still to be posted) has just come out of administration and seemingly posted profits.
As I said I may be wrong.....

The £1million loss was entirely down to spending on infrastructure. If SOC hadn’t done that we probably wouldn’t have made a loss.

We were always going to be in a better position this season, and from then on. Our support would see us being able to better anyone in this league financially. If that was allowed to be fully utilized against our competitors, it would make it very difficult for the other clubs.

I’m not saying that it would guarantee complete domination – team sport doesn’t necessarily work that way, you still need a coach who knows what he’s doing – but we wouldn’t be sitting in 5th place, and I doubt Batley would have won the NRC. The £300k cap has had a massive impact already. It’s made the league far more competitive and lowered the ability of wealthier clubs to bring their financial clout into play. The cap is more realistic in SL and the wealthier clubs still have this advantage over the smaller clubs.

We went into admistration 3-years ago (2007), so would have had no baring at all on the decision to lower the cap.