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 Post subject: Re: League Structure 2019
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:00 am 
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The biggest problem with the new arrangements is that players and coaches book holidays for immediately after the season so clubs will be going into that last play off game with depleted squads.

Re number of fixtures in league One next year, it was announced a while ago that Bristol were entering League One in 2019, I've not seen anything saying this isn't happening (nor confirmed it is)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:37 am 
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Jemmo wrote:The biggest problem with the new arrangements is that players and coaches book holidays for immediately after the season so clubs will be going into that last play off game with depleted squads.

Re number of fixtures in league One next year, it was announced a while ago that Bristol were entering League One in 2019, I've not seen anything saying this isn't happening (nor confirmed it is)


I've no doubt that the RFL will have lined up compensation packages for all those affected. :oops:

Seriously, it's a good point Jemmo. The incompetence of making changes at such short notice has knock-on effects all round.

I've not heard anything about Bristol either but if it was going to happen, you'd have thought it would have been mentioned as a positive reason why League One could manage with the new arrangements.

All the talk at the moment is about the structure but, for me, this is hiding what we really need to know: the central funding arrangements. Have the Championship and League One been shafted or not? What made some lower league clubs change their minds and vote for the proposals?

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Double Movement wrote:I've no doubt that the RFL will have lined up compensation packages for all those affected. :oops:

Seriously, it's a good point Jemmo. The incompetence of making changes at such short notice has knock-on effects all round.

I've not heard anything about Bristol either but if it was going to happen, you'd have thought it would have been mentioned as a positive reason why League One could manage with the new arrangements.

All the talk at the moment is about the structure but, for me, this is hiding what we really need to know: the central funding arrangements. Have the Championship and League One been shafted or not? What made some lower league clubs change their minds and vote for the proposals?


The Rugby League Express,this morning,on the Editors Martyn Sadler page,states that Doncaster and Sheffield Eagles,among others,went against the Championship and League 1 Advisory Board.Surprised me,after the statement from Carl Hall re Ian Lenagan,some time ago.Perhaps the dual reg agreement came into the equation.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:11 pm 
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Jemmo wrote:The biggest problem with the new arrangements is that players and coaches book holidays for immediately after the season so clubs will be going into that last play off game with depleted squads.

Re number of fixtures in league One next year, it was announced a while ago that Bristol were entering League One in 2019, I've not seen anything saying this isn't happening (nor confirmed it is)


A team from Manchester was also going to be implemented in to league one next year.
Manchester Rangers who play on the Man City pitches i believe.
But not heard anything about them recently

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:07 pm 
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Courtesy of League Weekly and League Express here’s a summary of what’s happened over the last few days along with the potential impacts as I see them:

There was a secret vote last Friday with regards to the future league structures and financing. On Thursday, the Championship and League One Advisory Group announced they would oppose the proposals and were confident they had a good chance of winning the vote.

However, nine Championship and League One clubs voted with the Super League teams, voting in favour of change. The newspapers suggested that clubs with DR arrangements may have been put under pressure from their DR partners to vote in favour of the change but no lower league club admitted this was the case.

What are the financial impacts?

At the moment the current Sky TV deal is worth £40m-per year. £30m is given to the Super League clubs; £10m goes to the RFL. That £10m is split between the RFL, Championship, and League One sides. The present TV deal runs out at the end of the 2021 season.

This is where it gets interesting...

Views across the sport seem united in believing that the current £40m-per-year deal will not continue beyond 2021. Will another host broadcaster challenge Sky for the rights? If not, with no competition, the concern is that Sky will submit a lower bid. After all, Sky is a business and they’re not going to pay any more for the product than they have to.

This is where non-Super League clubs potentially start to pay the price for the changes...

Should the new TV deal be the same £40m-per-year, the Super League teams will get £32.25m, with £7.75m going to the RFL, Championship, and League One clubs. Even with this ‘likely best case scenario’ the Championship and League clubs will suffer unless the RFL absorb the £2.25m cut themselves.
If the deal is between over £36m and up to £40m, Super League keep the same £30m they’re getting at the moment. This means everyone else gets between £6m and £10m.

There looks to be a minor loophole here as a £39m deal is better for lower league clubs than a £40m deal. Someone’s maths have gone astray! The RFL get £9m from a £39m deal but only get £7.75m from a £40m deal. That’s a technicality that I’m sure will be amended if need be.

It gets worse...

If the next deal is between £30 and £35m, Super League takes £30m and whatever is left goes to the RFL.

It gets worse still...

If the deal is £29m or lower, Super League takes it all and there’s nothing for everyone else!

Clearly everyone is hoping for the best when it comes to the new TV deal but where would the Championship and League One clubs be in 2022 if they get no central funding? I cannot draw any other conclusion than to declare they’ll be in a mess.

Think about the additional consequences...

If the top team in the Championship is promoted to Super League on a shoestring budget, how could they be competitive in the higher league when they’ve been building a team on peanuts? The class gap between Super League and the rest will become wider.

Things could become trickier for lower league sides as many of the players who play in the Championship and League One may opt to play for Super League reserve sides instead. Dare I suggest that Super League teams will be able to pay players more to be in their reserves than they’ll get playing for cash strapped Championship and League One sides?

It hasn’t been made clear whether the relegated Super League team would get a parachute payment in 2022 and beyond. If they did, we would surely see a yoyo structure where the team that is relegated would be promoted the following year as they would have such a huge unfair advantage over the rest and the team that was promoted would have a gulf in class to bridge meaning they’re likely to be relegated. No doubt, when that happens the Super League teams will say they want to revert back to licensing.

At the moment, the RFL funding for League One is the same for all teams (£75k I believe). In the Championship, the amount of funding is based on the finishing positions from the previous season. This isn’t going to continue although the RFL CEO Ralph Rimmer has said that the funding won’t necessarily be evenly split as other criteria could be taken into account when determining who gets what.

Well, come 2022, if there’s no dosh to split, then everyone will get the same... nowt!

Fundamentally, in my opinion, the future for all sides outside the Super League will become precarious to say the least from 2022 if the TV deal isn’t better than it is now... there were no details revealed as to how much the RFL would get if the TV deal was £50m. I suspect the Super League teams would want to take it all.

How many teams would actually survive without any central funding? Never mind teams at our level being semi-pro, would the clubs have anything left to pay players? Clubs like Whitehaven and Keighley have hit financial troubles this season. Would they have gone bust without their £75 central funding?

Super League teams may be heralding this as the start of a bright new future. For lower league teams, it looks like times of great uncertainty. I hope that Robert Elstone and Super League Europe are able to do a better job of promoting the game than the ineffective RFL.

I tend to agree with Danny Lockwood in League Weekly when he says he doesn’t know what moral authority the RFL board has any longer. They’ve thrown the keys and deeds to Robert Elstone. Their only purpose seems to be to take charge of match officials and an overblown HR department.

I believe rugby league needs to be governed by a body that looks after all of rugby league, not just the elite, but the RFL have failed in that duty for many years. I wish Mr Elstone well because without him the future for the whole sport is grim. I hope the big boys don’t forget about the little boys in the future but I suspect they’ve now got us in our place and will try to keep us there.

How does all of this specifically impact on the Dons?

That probably needs a thread of its own.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:16 pm 
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Good post Mike , & we are rumoured to be 1 of the 9.

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 Post subject: Re: League Structure 2019
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Yes to say it was a secret ballot I have seen the list of non SL clubs that apparently voted for the change and we were on it:

Leigh, Sheffield, Rochdale, Coventry, Doncaster, London S, Oldham, Whitehaven and Workington

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:22 am 
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I find it hard to believe that after all Carl's complaining about the new structure he proceeded to do an about turn and voted for it.
Regardless of the pressure placed on us by Hull (if any actually was) I feel Carl has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes yet again.


I don't have a problem with his vote , what I do have a problem with is telling everyone you don't agree with the new structure and then vote for it.

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Keith Lard's Dog wrote:I find it hard to believe that after all Carl's complaining about the new structure he proceeded to do an about turn and voted for it.
Regardless of the pressure placed on us by Hull (if any actually was) I feel Carl has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes yet again.


I don't have a problem with his vote , what I do have a problem with is telling everyone you don't agree with the new structure and then vote for it.


Can I kindly ask where have you been for the past several games regarding posts on here. No small coincidence that you have popped up when a case arises for a CH comment.

Not a go at you just curious :|






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For your information ,I have just returned from a long planned months holiday in Australia .

I have been keeping abreast of the results, and have been really pleased that the team has found form and secured a third placed finish.

I know I have had my issues with some of the things said by our CEO , however I am far from the only one, as the changes to the Dugout format proved.

My point being with the changes to the league structure being well documented , and with Carl being one of the strongest objectors ,as his interview after the Bradford game testifies,
for him to then vote though the proposal is hypocritical.

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