Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:13 am  

I have been bumping on about it for a while. We are playing old fashioned Rugby at its worst at the moment. Sheens needs to move his tactics and play in accordance with the modern era. The rugby we saw in the championship was underwhelming, the games were dull and we didn't even set that league on fire.

We have a winger in Shaw who is good at finishing but is THE WORST defensive back in SL (and was poor defensively in the championship).
Our Centres are unproven at SL level. Minns has been average, Heffernan when fit has had 1 decent game. Salter was atrocious against FC.
Our other winger looks uninterested, although proven at this level, one hopes that he is not here just for a pay day. We have a young winger Oakes who is professed to be one of the brightest talents in the game, every time he turns out he plays well & seemingly can defend but it appears that TS is scared of picking inexperienced players, surely you'd give him a nod over the dross we have seen in the last 2 games. Connor Williams is going under the radar at moment due to injury I believe. Joe Wardill again a bright prospect within the game has real potential and hopefully his injury problems will clear, really like this player.

Halfs, Maguire speaks for himself, done everything in the game but inevitably at his age will pick up injuries. Chris Atkin shows signs that he is capable but only flashes, Matty Marsh is a little way off but the way he is slated by fans suggests his tenure at KR may be short lived. Franck is a million miles off at moment.

Quinlan is a really good FB if he's in a team that plays the right brand of rugby, Dagger has been OK, although the media appear to big him up for carrying out the basics to an OK standard he has just done enough but has loads of time to shine, made some errors but at 19 that's aloud. Bring Moss back as the back up full back until dagger gets up to speed to play a run of games should AQ pick up injury

Forwards......... Where do we start
Masoe - Unable to do the big minutes
Nick Scruton - Quality player but like maguire he will inevitably pick up injuries
Shaun Lunt - We need him fit
Maurice Blair - Steady at best now with age
James Greenwood - Pretty Awful Discipline
Ben Kavanagh - Decent Player when fit
Lee Jewitt - Another that struggles with discipline
Donno - Glad he's getting back to fitness, bring some stability up front
Addy - Massive miss with his utility
Clarkson - Reliable
Lawler - Bad injury, a real big miss, this kid has serious potential, another rising start
Rob Mulhern - Another like Lawler, led from the front all year
Josh Johnson - Another that gives away way too many penalties
Jordan Walne - May be ready for some game time, what with some of our frontline misfiring
Joe Cator - Potential to be Class but is physically a few years off to play every game but certainly worth drip feeding in.
Brad Clavering - Who Knows, never seems to get game time - even in freindlies.
Danny Tickle - A below average signing WHY???

I would switch it up a little. Freshen the team up because at the moment it looks laclustre and beaten before the whistle has gone to start the game.

We need to stop picking people on name and start picking them on form and at present we don't have too many that are playing well so change things. Castleford did well last year without over spending because they played an expansive style. we seem to enjoy playing down the middle but we aren't powerful enough and it certainly isn't working so try playing the game a different way. Move away from the rigid structure like Cas did. Believe that if you make a mistake you can make up for it in the next set.

Not all doom and gloom though. If in a few years we can build a team around the young talent that we have been signing we will have a team to behold, I think we need to tie the below young lads down on long term deals and bring in decent experienced players to help progress them. And if they are ready give them some game time, you only gain experience by playing.

Rob Mulhern
Georgie Lawler
Will Oakes
Joe Wardill
Will Dagger
Chris Atkin (will learn off Mags)
Joe Cator
Heffernan when he's up to speed

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:39 am  

TheRealist wrote:

I have been bumping on about it for a while. We are playing old fashioned Rugby at its worst at the moment. Sheens needs to move his tactics and play in accordance with the modern era. The rugby we saw in the championship was underwhelming, the games were dull and we didn't even set that league on fire.

We have a winger in Shaw who is good at finishing but is THE WORST defensive back in SL (and was poor defensively in the championship).
Our Centres are unproven at SL level. Minns has been average, Heffernan when fit has had 1 decent game. Salter was atrocious against FC.
Our other winger looks uninterested, although proven at this level, one hopes that he is not here just for a pay day. We have a young winger Oakes who is professed to be one of the brightest talents in the game, every time he turns out he plays well & seemingly can defend but it appears that TS is scared of picking inexperienced players, surely you'd give him a nod over the dross we have seen in the last 2 games. Connor Williams is going under the radar at moment due to injury I believe. Joe Wardill again a bright prospect within the game has real potential and hopefully his injury problems will clear, really like this player.

Halfs, Maguire speaks for himself, done everything in the game but inevitably at his age will pick up injuries. Chris Atkin shows signs that he is capable but only flashes, Matty Marsh is a little way off but the way he is slated by fans suggests his tenure at KR may be short lived. Franck is a million miles off at moment.

Quinlan is a really good FB if he's in a team that plays the right brand of rugby, Dagger has been OK, although the media appear to big him up for carrying out the basics to an OK standard he has just done enough but has loads of time to shine, made some errors but at 19 that's aloud. Bring Moss back as the back up full back until dagger gets up to speed to play a run of games should AQ pick up injury

Forwards......... Where do we start
Masoe - Unable to do the big minutes
Nick Scruton - Quality player but like maguire he will inevitably pick up injuries
Shaun Lunt - We need him fit
Maurice Blair - Steady at best now with age
James Greenwood - Pretty Awful Discipline
Ben Kavanagh - Decent Player when fit
Lee Jewitt - Another that struggles with discipline
Donno - Glad he's getting back to fitness, bring some stability up front
Addy - Massive miss with his utility
Clarkson - Reliable
Lawler - Bad injury, a real big miss, this kid has serious potential, another rising start
Rob Mulhern - Another like Lawler, led from the front all year
Josh Johnson - Another that gives away way too many penalties
Jordan Walne - May be ready for some game time, what with some of our frontline misfiring
Joe Cator - Potential to be Class but is physically a few years off to play every game but certainly worth drip feeding in.
Brad Clavering - Who Knows, never seems to get game time - even in freindlies.
Danny Tickle - A below average signing WHY???

I would switch it up a little. Freshen the team up because at the moment it looks laclustre and beaten before the whistle has gone to start the game.

We need to stop picking people on name and start picking them on form and at present we don't have too many that are playing well so change things. Castleford did well last year without over spending because they played an expansive style. we seem to enjoy playing down the middle but we aren't powerful enough and it certainly isn't working so try playing the game a different way. Move away from the rigid structure like Cas did. Believe that if you make a mistake you can make up for it in the next set.

Not all doom and gloom though. If in a few years we can build a team around the young talent that we have been signing we will have a team to behold, I think we need to tie the below young lads down on long term deals and bring in decent experienced players to help progress them. And if they are ready give them some game time, you only gain experience by playing.

Rob Mulhern
Georgie Lawler
Will Oakes
Joe Wardill
Will Dagger
Chris Atkin (will learn off Mags)
Joe Cator
Heffernan when he's up to speed

but you have the best coach in the world and lost to a twelve man side coached by a pub landlord...?

Rovers will stay up, there worse sides (I won't say team, as you don't look like one), Sheens will turn it around, but you have a thin squad, signing McGuire was a huge mistake, he's well past his best or he'd still be at Leeds...

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:05 am  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

but you have the best coach in the world and lost to a twelve man side coached by a pub landlord...?

Rovers will stay up, there worse sides (I won't say team, as you don't look like one), Sheens will turn it around, but you have a thin squad, signing McGuire was a huge mistake, he's well past his best or he'd still be at Leeds...

I actually disagree with this, Maguire is exactly the sort of player you needed to sign, but you need him on the pitch. For me the reason you lost the derby was because he and Lunt weren't available, your direction out of the ruck was awful, Lee just isn't up to standard. You do have some real quality in your side, Mulhern, Maguire, Lunt, Oakes, Kavanagh, Addy, but you just cant get them on the pitch at the same time.

Rovers will be fine this season, there are poorer sides in this league. Safety surely is the only target this year, anything else is a bonus. With so many young players it'll take time but have faith.

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:55 am  

I think it's time for Sheens to go. For what ever reason it is simply not working. We need to move on as a club and shed some major dead wood. The Wigan display was simply not acceptable at this level. That is just on the field, off the field is just as bad from what I hear. The club is in a bad place.

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:01 am  

Redrobnorris wrote:

I think it's time for Sheens to go. For what ever reason it is simply not working. We need to move on as a club and shed some major dead wood. The Wigan display was simply not acceptable at this level. That is just on the field, off the field is just as bad from what I hear. The club is in a bad place.

So sheens goes who do you get in place it is not is fault it’s the system when we came up we were to late to sign good player even he can not do it .with what we have

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:09 am  

The Wizard needs a new wand LMFAO

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:26 am  

Someday wrote:

So sheens goes who do you get in place it is not is fault it’s the system when we came up we were to late to sign good player even he can not do it .with what we have

how many players turned you down? there has to be a reason.

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:37 am  

Using 6 of your 10 subs on Mose Mosoe isn’t a good tactic

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:43 am  

Rovers need to stick together it was only going to be a tough year if you would have had all your best players available you would av challenged for 8th I think, but with the luck you have had and a thin squad with not really any quality replacement's of the standard needed you are on a hiding to nothing.
I agree with the first poster giving some young lads a run out like Cater can do no harm they bring enthusiasm and right now that's what you need you never known how good they are until you try them Jez Littern was nearly MOM for us yesterday Lane has been outstanding give some of your youngsters a go what have you to lose now at least they will have experience for any middle 8 games if that's where you end up

Re: Oh Dear - Things need to change.........QUICK : Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:11 am  

panic not, what do people expect, Maguire apart we were a championship club last year who only just managed promotion, nobody has blown us away apart from wigan who are a top club,3 or 4 players and a bit of luck with injuries and we should be competitive in most matches,full team come middle eights and we will be ok , you cannot do it in 1 season, what goes around usually comes around .