Re: New signing : Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:29 am  

haven't Cas got a half back going spare ? Rangi something, think he may be English ( or nearly) don't know if he's any good .

Re: New signing : Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:55 am  

BiltonRobin wrote:

haven't Cas got a half back going spare ? Rangi something, think he may be English ( or nearly) don't know if he's any good .

NO NO NO we do not need him we are not that desperate

Re: New signing : Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:49 am  

Burtons Forearm wrote:

A half back and a forward.....that will be Johnson and Clay then.
Clay looks a player. Cover at halves d hooker is needed. Disappointed for Harris and Jubb but promotion is the priority this year I suppose.

My concern is when will Liam Harris & Jubby get their chance?

IF Rovers are promoted their 'chances' will seriously diminish, and this is why Rovers should be giving them a run in the team now IMO

Re: New signing : Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:22 am  

interesting point in last week's program regarding Harris and Sheens asking York to play him at fullback.
It went on to say he'd been working with the rovers coaching time on playing in this position and was doing well.

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Re: New signing : Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:03 pm  

Paul_HKR wrote:

My concern is when will Liam Harris & Jubby get their chance?

IF Rovers are promoted their 'chances' will seriously diminish, and this is why Rovers should be giving them a run in the team now IMO

First team rugby is, IMO, about winning games. Players should get their chance when they're the best available for selection. If and when Jubb and Harris are good enough they'll force their way force their way into the team.

Re: New signing : Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:29 pm  

Watching Salford v saints and working on principle they both make top 8 maybe I am being to hard on kr? Castleford aside it looks very basic rugby and set for set grinder thon. The pack dictates the game and that is where we fall short from a betting pov and not as a kr fan I see us in MPG v vikings.coin toss.

Re: New signing : Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:47 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

First team rugby is, IMO, about winning games. Players should get their chance when they're the best available for selection. If and when Jubb and Harris are good enough they'll force their way force their way into the team.

I accept what you are saying but Sheens has stated his aim is to rotate positions, he's begun with the wing spots, which is a different approach to waiting until players are 'good enough'.

Rovers are (apparently) signing Zach Dockar-Clay which will push both Jubby & Harris further down the pecking order. It looks likely Harris might get a run out at FB at some point but there appears to be no side-door for Jubby.

IMO Rovers can afford to 'blood' the fringe players over the next 12 or so games before the push for the Mid8s begins. Its not only Jubb & Harris its also Milton, Cator and Clavering - players that are getting match practise on a regular basis so are 'ready' to go. Doing this will also keep the senior players fit and healthy.

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Re: New signing : Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:28 am  

Paul_HKR wrote:

I accept what you are saying but Sheens has stated his aim is to rotate positions, he's begun with the wing spots, which is a different approach to waiting until players are 'good enough'.

Rovers are (apparently) signing Zach Dockar-Clay which will push both Jubby & Harris further down the pecking order. It looks likely Harris might get a run out at FB at some point but there appears to be no side-door for Jubby.

IMO Rovers can afford to 'blood' the fringe players over the next 12 or so games before the push for the Mid8s begins. Its not only Jubb & Harris its also Milton, Cator and Clavering - players that are getting match practise on a regular basis so are 'ready' to go. Doing this will also keep the senior players fit and healthy.

I agree that there's value in rotation, to help us be successful. And the young players can be part of that, along with more experienced pros who haven't played a lot so far - like Horne and Salter. But that is still about winning. ZDC will only push Harris and Jubb down the pecking order if he is better than them - and what would be the point of signing him, if he isn't? A prop pushes Moran down the order, a backrower Cator, a centre Wardill, a winger Oakes. I'm just saying we can't not strengthen for fear of not providing opportunities to young players. Players can and do develop by playing first team, but that isn't the purpose of the first team.

My guess is that Sheens has started with rotating wingers because he wants the core of the team to gel. And he has three players of roughly similar ability to fill two spots currently. Or he did until Quinlan was injured.

Re: New signing : Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:09 am  

It could be that he's waiting for the core of the team to actually reach their peak potential before resting them.
There would be nothing to gain by dropping a pivot who is still learning the game plan and where his support players are (hopefully).
or a forward who's not running the required lines because of a lack of understanding.

Once he's happy a player is upto speed with how (and where) he is expected to play, then you have something to compare others too.
Then you can decide who is the best player available for a role, or be confident that any new player will understand what's expected.

Judging by his quotes in the press I don't think we are playing quite how Sheens would like at the moment.

Re: New signing : Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:31 am  

BiltonRobin wrote:

It could be that he's waiting for the core of the team to actually reach their peak potential before resting them.
There would be nothing to gain by dropping a pivot who is still learning the game plan and where his support players are (hopefully).
or a forward who's not running the required lines because of a lack of understanding.

Once he's happy a player is upto speed with how (and where) he is expected to play, then you have something to compare others too.
Then you can decide who is the best player available for a role, or be confident that any new player will understand what's expected.

Judging by his quotes in the press I don't think we are playing quite how Sheens would like at the moment.

I think your last point is an understatement. I would miss the word quite out.