Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:26 am  

Marcus's Bicycle wrote:

Without going in to details I have issues the same as you. The problem is that when something like this happens some people play the mental health card as convenient excuse which leads to scepticism and I can fully understand that. If Minns's excuse is genuine and there's nothing to say it isn't he'll need all the help he can get from the club and RL state of mind.

That's how I see it also.

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:47 am  

Recently lost a parent myself and although i never resorted to doing anything stupid i must sympathise with minns , i know how he must have felt .Instead of slating the kid the family that is rugby league or so we are told should get its act together and support these lads . Agree he deserves some kind of punishment but to take his living away is tough , any other walk of life ie TV star drunk driving and people fall over themselves to offer sympathy .Hope he gets his life back on track and receives the care and support he needs including the rugby league world and social media!

[Mild Rover]

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:19 pm  

Mild mannered Janitor wrote: Define "a lot" I left it vague deliberately, as I can't know. Here are the results of a 2014 survey: https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... t-addicted 69% of respondents said they had used illegal drugs and 21% of those (14.5% of the total sample) still did. If that applied across the UK, that'd be several million people using illegal drugs at least occasionally. The 2015/16 Home Office estimate is lower at 8.4% of people aged 16-59 had using an illegal drug in the previous year (approx. 2.7 million), down from 10.5% a decade earlier. http://www.drugwise.org.uk/how-many-people-use-drugs/ By those standards, that we've 'only' seen Chase, Walker, Hardaker and Minns banned from ~350 SL players in the last year weirdly doesn't look too back. Especially, as I'd assumed use is higher among young men in their 20s and early 30s than people in their 50s. How many of those are doing it wholly or in part because of emotional issues or stress, I can only guess at. Anyway, retrospectively, that's how I'll define 'a lot'. Mild mannered Janitor wrote: I cannot agree with you on this. You'd only know that if you had arrest records or were personally told may "a lot" of people. I'm not sure arrest records for use would be a very good guide. In a single year The NCA seized 69.8 tonnes of cocaine, 4.5 tonnes of heroin, and 123.1 tonnes of cannabis. A tonne is a million grams - that's a gram of coke each for every man, woman and child in the UK, give or take. Presumably a lot more gets through to the market. Even if the surveys aren't completely accurate, I can't see only 'a few' people's noses, lungs and veins being able to support that level of criminal trade.

Mild mannered Janitor wrote: Define "a lot" I left it vague deliberately, as I can't know. Here are the results of a 2014 survey: https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... t-addicted 69% of respondents said they had used illegal drugs and 21% of those (14.5% of the total sample) still did. If that applied across the UK, that'd be several million people using illegal drugs at least occasionally. The 2015/16 Home Office estimate is lower at 8.4% of people aged 16-59 had using an illegal drug in the previous year (approx. 2.7 million), down from 10.5% a decade earlier. http://www.drugwise.org.uk/how-many-people-use-drugs/ By those standards, that we've 'only' seen Chase, Walker, Hardaker and Minns banned from ~350 SL players in the last year weirdly doesn't look too back. Especially, as I'd assumed use is higher among young men in their 20s and early 30s than people in their 50s. How many of those are doing it wholly or in part because of emotional issues or stress, I can only guess at. Anyway, retrospectively, that's how I'll define 'a lot'. Mild mannered Janitor wrote: I cannot agree with you on this. You'd only know that if you had arrest records or were personally told may "a lot" of people. I'm not sure arrest records for use would be a very good guide. In a single year The NCA seized 69.8 tonnes of cocaine, 4.5 tonnes of heroin, and 123.1 tonnes of cannabis. A tonne is a million grams - that's a gram of coke each for every man, woman and child in the UK, give or take. Presumably a lot more gets through to the market. Even if the surveys aren't completely accurate, I can't see only 'a few' people's noses, lungs and veins being able to support that level of criminal trade.

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:39 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

If what I'm hearing is true Minns won't be the last player from our club getting a ban I'm not naming names but Oakes or Moss may be getting some game time soon

The only thing I can say about minns is goodbye we and rugby league do not need or want you or anybody else that take drugs of any sort

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:06 pm  

Maybe he has got some off field issues, who knows, but when are these players going to realise that its a short career and not a well paid one when you compare to some sports, rugby is all a lot of these lads know so it amazes me how there prepared to throw it all away so easily.

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:28 pm  

billysbestmate wrote:

Recently lost a parent myself and although i never resorted to doing anything stupid i must sympathise with minns , i know how he must have felt .Instead of slating the kid the family that is rugby league or so we are told should get its act together and support these lads . Agree he deserves some kind of punishment but to take his living away is tough , any other walk of life ie TV star drunk driving and people fall over themselves to offer sympathy .Hope he gets his life back on track and receives the care and support he needs including the rugby league world and social media!

you are always doing something stupid like posting on here another duller with a split personality

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:06 pm  

rover 2000 wrote:

you are always doing something stupid like posting on here another duller with a split personality

I posted on this particular thread with no intention of baiting anyone you complete booty , as i said he needs support after loosing a parent not being rinsed out to dry on here or any other forum .

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:16 pm  

billysbestmate wrote:

I posted on this particular thread with no intention of baiting anyone you complete booty , as i said he needs support after loosing a parent not being rinsed out to dry on here or any other forum .

just not used to any sense from you, your previous 59 posts are just silly billy garbage, so do you expect anybody to respect your views on here I think not

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:07 pm  

I have sympathy that he's struggling after losing his mum but not that he's sought solace in the arms of a class a drug. He's been an idiot and should get an appropriate ban. I do hope that rovers and the rfl put some kind of support package in place for him though

Re: Minns : Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:51 pm  

billysbestmate wrote:

I posted on this particular thread with no intention of baiting anyone you complete booty , as i said he needs support after loosing a parent not being rinsed out to dry on here or any other forum .

He's an idiot and he's let a lot of people down I personally don't buy I'm upset about my mother that's why I did it we've all lost someone but we don't turn to class A drugs especially when the consequences for him would be a lot higher if he's down go to doctors and get some medication