Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:27 am  

fun time frankie wrote:

Didn’t he make something like 28m in the derby if you think this is enough then I’m glad your not our coach and saying they don’t pass to him well don’t stand third or fourth man out then and you might get the ball yeah he took the ball up twice in the first set then went missing for 15 mins in my mind he should be doing more when you compare him to our other props

He makes decoy runs because......He's told to. Watch the game back from yesterday. He Garbutt Hall were our best players

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:10 am  

Burtons Forearm wrote:

He makes decoy runs because......He's told to. Watch the game back from yesterday. He Garbutt Hall were our best players

Well if all he’s used for is decoy runs he is a luxury and to me he isn’t much of a decoy as you can see what’s happening pretty easily why we never use him close to the line is beyond me one thing I will say is his defence is pretty good

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:35 pm  

Mose deliberately makes runs designed to ensure he doesn't get the ball. It's obvious every time he does it and I can't imagine other teams fall for it any more than the fans do. It's totally telegraphed and just looks like a trick to avoid work.

If it really is a policy for Mose not to get the ball then it's one I don't agree with. Mose running hard and straight is something to be feared that is what he does best IMO. If I was a defender I'd be far more worried about Mose running at me full charge than doing decoy runs for smaller players to run in.

Garbutt takes the ball in far more often is making more meters and has made 90 tackles to Mose's 60. Yes Garbutt has been outstanding but Mose is capable of far more than he is giving IMO.

All I ask of Mose is to return to how he was playing prior to getting his 3 year deal. He was almost unstoppable whilst he was seeking a deal but since he got one he has preferred the decoy runner role. Which is a terrible waste IMO.

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:03 pm  

If and its a big IF Masoe is being told by Sheens to run dummy lines then its definetly a waste, oppositition coaches would soon work that ploy out, personally i just think hes a bit lazy too, 1 big drive or 1 big tackle and he goes hiding for a bit,
Ive noticed him plenty of times walking up behind the play the ball so theres no chance oh him getting the ball. He should be crashing onto the ball near the oppo's line not dummy running.
Its true hes lost a lot of weight and worked hard to do it but i just wonder if he has the stamina to put big work in
Im obviously not privvy to Sheens team meetings though so these are just my opinions, the good thing is were all entitled to them.

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:50 pm  

His Bobness wrote:

Mose deliberately makes runs designed to ensure he doesn't get the ball. It's obvious every time he does it and I can't imagine other teams fall for it any more than the fans do. It's totally telegraphed and just looks like a trick to avoid work.

If it really is a policy for Mose not to get the ball then it's one I don't agree with. Mose running hard and straight is something to be feared that is what he does best IMO. If I was a defender I'd be far more worried about Mose running at me full charge than doing decoy runs for smaller players to run in.

Garbutt takes the ball in far more often is making more meters and has made 90 tackles to Mose's 60. Yes Garbutt has been outstanding but Mose is capable of far more than he is giving IMO.

All I ask of Mose is to return to how he was playing prior to getting his 3 year deal. He was almost unstoppable whilst he was seeking a deal but since he got one he has preferred the decoy runner role. Which is a terrible waste IMO.

That first paragraph is gibberish. Watch the games. It appears the opposition professional players don't have your eye or knowledge as they do seem to be falling for it.
There was far little of the taking the ball straight up on Sunday but that wasn't down to the forwards that was the halves calling all sorts of wrong plays.
Yes I have no problem with people's opinions. However when these assumed truths start being bandied about as facts 'Masoe is lazy' and people repeat it as fact without justification then that needs a bit of thinking about as being lazy is about one of the worst insults you can throw at an athlete. Nothing posted so far justified this label of being lazy. Comparing him to Garbutt, the best prop in the comp so far is hardly a reasonable analysis. Nobody can justify calling him lazy in defence. That's 50% of the game. His role in attack is different. He doesn't hold back when he runs hence he makes over 8 meters a carry. He has a different role with the ball hence we have a more rounded pack this year. He's lost 10 plus kg and kept it off.
In no sense of the word is he lazy so please don't insult him using this word. We have had lazy players at Rovers Mose Masoe isn't one of them.

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:24 pm  

If Mose isn’t lazy then who is

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:14 pm  

I thought Mose played well v London. Too much reliance on stats can colour opinions. I'm more concerned with Mulhearn form/fitness.Looks a shadow of last season's player. This reminds me a little of Tilse getting criticised whilst Allgood did nothing of consequence for us but escaped any pelters.

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:32 pm  

craig hkr wrote:

I thought Mose played well v London. Too much reliance on stats can colour opinions. I'm more concerned with Mulhearn form/fitness.Looks a shadow of last season's player. This reminds me a little of Tilse getting criticised whilst Allgood did nothing of consequence for us but escaped any pelters.

Mulhearn might not have hit the heights of last season yet but he still puts in big minutes and hasn’t really done anything wrong but his kicking game needs work

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:58 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

If Mose isn’t lazy then who is

No one in this current squad.

Re: That London : Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:08 pm  

With you on Mose Burton, just couldn’t be bothered to argue the point like you have. Exactly right on his D, our best defender, hits them hard, puts them down and they don’t come back.