Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:24 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

Firstly I think Blair and Lunt are above average and haven't Wigan just won the grand final with team of local lads

Sorry for chipping in but, I agree with FTF above, Lunt was very good in the game v Salford & I would sign Blair & obvs Sio too any day if funds were no issue & of course they wanted to come to Leigh.

Edit.

Or if our quota wasn't now full .....

Or if I was a director & had any say in the club whatsoever.

Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:19 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

Firstly I think Blair and Lunt are above average and haven't Wigan just won the grand final with team of local lads

stated lunt, blair better than average im talking about us not wigan

Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:54 pm  

rover 2000 wrote:

stated lunt, blair better than average im talking about us not wigan

I think at some point we have to invest in youth the teams that win things all have great youth set ups

Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:14 pm  

agree with you on the youth but we are not wigan and therefore rely on bringing in players from other clubs youth rugby in hull has slowly eroded and needs a boost if you notice the sharks didn't blood anyone this year partly because of lack of injuries and partly because Radford was frightened to death to lose a game. no good investing money in players who wont make superlegue standard wigan seem to have a production line and supply a lot of players to other teams as well as their own

Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:42 pm  

rover 2000 wrote:

agree with you on the youth but we are not wigan and therefore rely on bringing in players from other clubs youth rugby in hull has slowly eroded and needs a boost if you notice the sharks didn't blood anyone this year partly because of lack of injuries and partly because Radford was frightened to death to lose a game. no good investing money in players who wont make superlegue standard wigan seem to have a production line and supply a lot of players to other teams as well as their own

You obviously don't follow youth rugby in our town, my lads team at east hull won everything in the last 10 years in hull & district league to Yorkshire premier division, Yorkshire & national cup finals, just our team at our age group, kr scouts never watched our games & our home ground is st Richards, FC was there home & away, hence why 11 of our lads was invited down, your club has no youth because it couldn't be bothered to watch youth rugby, now FC have the pick for years to come.

Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:57 pm  

easthull fc fan wrote:

You obviously don't follow youth rugby in our town, my lads team at east hull won everything in the last 10 years in hull & district league to Yorkshire premier division, Yorkshire & national cup finals, just our team at our age group, kr scouts never watched our games & our home ground is st Richards, FC was there home & away, hence why 11 of our lads was invited down, your club has no youth because it couldn't be bothered to watch youth rugby, now FC have the pick for years to come.

People have always used the excuse that we weren't in SL when you were so took all the best young players but to me that's a poor excuse because if one thing we would have probably been in a better position than you to offer first team rugby and our lack of youth in the 10 years has been poor ( it's got better in recent seasons but much of that was forced upon us) getting relegated may make us look to the academy for more players which can't be a bad thing might unearth a few gems that might have been missed

[Mild Rover]

Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:20 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

I think at some point we have to invest in youth the teams that win things all have great youth set ups

The teams that win things, mostly have lots of resource generally. Youth development is part of that, but only part - for all the attention it gets, I'm not convinced it is an especially important part. Not to the extent that people assume, anyway. Did you see my post about correlations being weak associations?

Cas have/had a reputation for producing good players - without the money to retain them or surround them with better, it did them little good. Also it reached the point were any player who came through their system was automatically highly regarded, so was kind of self-fulfilling.

We did pretty well relying heavily on imports in our first few years in SL. Then we went for 'Building for the Future', and a focus on youth/potential in 2012. Nice sentiment, and the problem was more that we hadn't had the infrastructure, rather than it being a dreadful concept. That for me though is when we lost momentum. 'Beatings for the Forseeable' was the message it sent out, and recruitment and retention suffered.

As long as we have to focus investment on particular parts of the club, it'll always be tough to regularly compete with the richer teams, who can invest in all aspects. For me the first priority has to be the first team.

Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:26 pm  

[quote][/quote][quote="easthull fc fan"]You obviously don't follow youth rugby in our town, my lads team at east hull won everything in the last 10 years in hull & district league to Yorkshire premier division, Yorkshire & national cup finals, just our team at our age group, kr scouts never watched our games & our home ground is st Richards, FC was there home & away, hence why 11 of our lads was invited down, your club has no youth because it couldn't be bothered to watch youth rugby, now FC have the pick for years to come.[/quote its not what they win as kids that counts if they are any good they will come through but it will only be the odd one, wigan get several

Re: Players next year : Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:19 pm  

I think they've made it clear who they want to keep.

Shame for those who have missed out. Obviously not in the 5 year plan.

I hope there is a clear out in management as well. Otherwise nothing will change.

Re: Players next year : Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:24 am  

[quote="rover 2000"]

But what I'm stating is our city has talent in abundence, & most of these are coached by parents who to be fair have not played rugby, they could be even better taken on by pro clubs & nurtured correctly, but scouts take the wrong ones most of the time. Teenagers cost nothing to train & doing this with a professional outfit who they've supported all their lives would be massive for them, but instead we bring in journeymen or kids from other clubs, we do have some good clubs in our town, next season at premier conference level we may have 5 teams in from hull.