Re: Albert Kelly : Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:00 pm  

barham red wrote:

Our club is in dire need of management and has been for years, to lay the current problems at the door of Peacock is ridiculous, he's not even been in the job for a year yet.

The current situation has stemmed from years of poor recruitment and retention, just looking at the current squad and thinking its at full cap says it all. Our last 3 coaches have been poor and the rot seemed to have set in once we went down the cheap ozzie route with Sandercock, now there are plenty that will tell you he was good with younger players blah, blah but in essence he was such a downer after Morgan that it seemed to rip the verve out of the club.

JM had gone stale but his stale was light years ahead of what has followed, Sandercock was the human cure for insomnia and brought a woe is me mentality with him, but followed the fad of Mcguire and Brown. Chessie was an unispired choice and just the cheap option again followed the fad of Wane and Anderson. Webster is a stop gap because the real target can't be gotten yet, should we have kept Chester? No he'd lost it, to say he's proved hes a good coach at Wakey is pushing it, he had a quick lift effect but they are beyond dire now and he would never have done that with us.

Peacocks role needs time and will never be a quick fix, most changes to management structure, culture, strategy and direction start with a noticeable step back wards before any forward movement is made, for us this step back may be over a cliff, but the alternative seems to be slipping over that same cliff more slowly.

If and its a big if we get through this situation we will be miles better for it, whatever the end result of this year we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater though

Hope your right Barham. As long as you stay up it doesn't matter how.

Re: Albert Kelly : Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:22 pm  

barham red wrote:

Our club is in dire need of management and has been for years, to lay the current problems at the door of Peacock is ridiculous, he's not even been in the job for a year yet.

The current situation has stemmed from years of poor recruitment and retention, just looking at the current squad and thinking its at full cap says it all. Our last 3 coaches have been poor and the rot seemed to have set in once we went down the cheap ozzie route with Sandercock, now there are plenty that will tell you he was good with younger players blah, blah but in essence he was such a downer after Morgan that it seemed to rip the verve out of the club.

JM had gone stale but his stale was light years ahead of what has followed, Sandercock was the human cure for insomnia and brought a woe is me mentality with him, but followed the fad of Mcguire and Brown. Chessie was an unispired choice and just the cheap option again followed the fad of Wane and Anderson. Webster is a stop gap because the real target can't be gotten yet, should we have kept Chester? No he'd lost it, to say he's proved hes a good coach at Wakey is pushing it, he had a quick lift effect but they are beyond dire now and he would never have done that with us.

Peacocks role needs time and will never be a quick fix, most changes to management structure, culture, strategy and direction start with a noticeable step back wards before any forward movement is made, for us this step back may be over a cliff, but the alternative seems to be slipping over that same cliff more slowly.

If and its a big if we get through this situation we will be miles better for it, whatever the end result of this year we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater though

You're right we are dire at the moment - however where you show your utter ignorance is blaming it on Chester.

Wakefield have the smallest squad in SL which has been decimated by injury in the last few month - a bit like Cas but unlike them it's under reported and no sympathy is given.

Injuries current and not playing are

England (our best prop)
Moore (our only hooker)
Gibson (our only real centre)
Kirmond (our captain)
Anakin (car crash injuries)
Owen (Car crash injuries)
Ben Jones Bishop (calf injury)

Playing but shouldn't be

Anderson (retiring end of season due to injuries)
A Tupou (broken jaw still wired up)
Ashurst (broken jaw still wired up)
Miller (bust shoulder operation next monday)
Ben Harrison (nowhere near match fit after a year off with injury)
Simon (nowhere near match fit)

That's 13 players and arguably mainly our best - it happens no complaints but it's hardly Chester's fault, especially having only one hooker and two half backs for the whole season. We were a spent force by the end of July - luckily we'd achieved safety but no longer had the bodies to maintain any real momentum.

Our seasons over we knew that a month ago, it's all about getting players fit for next season now hence the introduction of a number of academy players in the last month.

Chester needs money to spend for next season but it's totally wrong to blame him for the failings of a team he didn't put together. Brian Smith knew we were to weak to compete, he left because he didn't get the money he felt he needed to compete, in which case it makes Chesters achievements even more remarkable. Even the most rabid Trinity fans are willing to give Chester the chance to prove himself with a team of his own, let's wait and see.

Re: Albert Kelly : Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:19 am  

Chester has done ok for you, and I hope you sign Albert Kelly Chester got the best out of him. But I feel let down by the curse of number 7 shirt can we retire it lol look at cooke the guy was a amazing player when he wanted to be and sober. But he let himself down and the club his own words, we was told by titans fans that when Kelly wants to play he could win you the league. But if he isn't in mood he is a costly mistake. And like Neil said we have too many players costing too much with no value for it.. he said it wont be 12 out like before bet it will be 8

Re: Albert Kelly : Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:46 am  

The thing with Kelly at the mo isn't his playing ability but sounds more like an attitude problem. If that's the case, Sheens won't want him anyway.

Re: Albert Kelly : Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:28 am  

vastman wrote:

You're right we are dire at the moment - however where you show your utter ignorance is blaming it on Chester.

Wakefield have the smallest squad in SL which has been decimated by injury in the last few month - a bit like Cas but unlike them it's under reported and no sympathy is given.

Injuries current and not playing are

England (our best prop)
Moore (our only hooker)
Gibson (our only real centre)
Kirmond (our captain)
Anakin (car crash injuries)
Owen (Car crash injuries)
Ben Jones Bishop (calf injury)

Playing but shouldn't be

Anderson (retiring end of season due to injuries)
A Tupou (broken jaw still wired up)
Ashurst (broken jaw still wired up)
Miller (bust shoulder operation next monday)
Ben Harrison (nowhere near match fit after a year off with injury)
Simon (nowhere near match fit)

That's 13 players and arguably mainly our best - it happens no complaints but it's hardly Chester's fault, especially having only one hooker and two half backs for the whole season. We were a spent force by the end of July - luckily we'd achieved safety but no longer had the bodies to maintain any real momentum.

Our seasons over we knew that a month ago, it's all about getting players fit for next season now hence the introduction of a number of academy players in the last month.

Chester needs money to spend for next season but it's totally wrong to blame him for the failings of a team he didn't put together. Brian Smith knew we were to weak to compete, he left because he didn't get the money he felt he needed to compete, in which case it makes Chesters achievements even more remarkable. Even the most rabid Trinity fans are willing to give Chester the chance to prove himself with a team of his own, let's wait and see.

I'm not knocking Chester for what he's done at Wakey but there is an element of history repeating with how he was with us. He got an initial lift and then the rot set in. There were reasons, we had injuries, Campese, Kelly, Lunt all missed big chunks but he seemed to lose the ability to get the most out of what he had available. In his last few games he looked and sounded a beaten man, very similar to how Webster was with you.

Not sure how much involvement / influence he had in our recruitment and preseason but it was beyond bad and ultimately the die was set for this season before a ball had been kicked.

Re: Albert Kelly : Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:41 am  

I for one will be sorry to see Kelly go but he is just trouble with a Capitol T he has done the same where ever he has been first season out of this world on another planet with his performances, then he gets his feet under the table and bingo off he goes walkabout it's a cultural thing I'm afraid. Without getting too deep, good luck to him and his family in Wakefield or wherever he ends up but we just can't afford the luxury of him. He had his chances but I'm afraid it's goodbye Albert was good while it lasted but you are just too expensive go get your beer tokens somewhere else

Re: Albert Kelly : Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:04 am  

easthull4 wrote:

I for one will be sorry to see Kelly go but he is just trouble with a Capitol T he has done the same where ever he has been first season out of this world on another planet with his performances, then he gets his feet under the table and bingo off he goes walkabout it's a cultural thing I'm afraid. Without getting too deep, good luck to him and his family in Wakefield or wherever he ends up but we just can't afford the luxury of him. He had his chances but I'm afraid it's goodbye Albert was good while it lasted but you are just too expensive go get your beer tokens somewhere else

This will be good.

Re: Albert Kelly : Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:20 am  

And to top It off rugby league express, saying campese to wake

Re: Albert Kelly : Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:30 am  

rebelrobin wrote:

And to top It off rugby league express, saying campese to wake

Why, has somebody died?

Re: Albert Kelly : Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:55 am  

Bloody tablet wake. And looking forward to Sunday game will Blair be back, and someone suggested Kr Huddersfield will be sat TV